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Who goes, who stays? - Hey - 02-01-2012

There are 14 players who ran out of eligibility.

There are 9 fifth-year seniors, one being Chase Thomas, who is coming back.

There are 22 recruits today, plus one for Dallas Lloyd, minus one for Brandon Fanaika.

It looks like the entire 2008 class except for Chase will be leaving.  That class was a major turning point for this program.



Re: Who goes, who stays? - DC - 02-01-2012

So hypothetically if Winston changed his mind and wanted to come, how would be make room for him?

Re: Who goes, who stays? - Viking_Guy - 02-01-2012

Are you including Martin, DeCastro and Luck in your list of openings, as eligibility-remaining departures?

VG


Re: Who goes, who stays? - Hey - 02-01-2012

Yes.

http://stanford.scout.com/a.z?s=18&p=9&c=16&yr=2011

Re: Who goes, who stays? - Rando - 02-01-2012

Does that mean guys like Schwartzstein, Debniak, Bernard, and Evans won't be invited back to the farm.

I mean I'd like to have those guys. Schwartzstein was our starting center, right? I would think he'd beat out a first year Graham Schuler on the depth chart.

Re: Who goes, who stays? - pincemob - 02-01-2012

Maybe someone will pay his own way for one season? 

Re: Who goes, who stays? - Hansenjohn - 02-01-2012

From press release on gostanford.com about one of today's commits:

"Fanaika is expected to take a two-year church mission before enrolling at Stanford in 2014."



Re: Who goes, who stays? - jayasena - 02-01-2012

Were we at the max allowable scholarships last year or were we under the limit by a few?

I doubt we would kick out any 5th years who want to return and have a realistic chance of meaningful playing time. If it really came to that, I presume we will not renew some of the walk-ons who were given scholarships rather than force the 5th years out?

Re: Who goes, who stays? - 97fan - 02-01-2012

You need 22 scholarships for next season. Here's my guess as to how you get there:

- 14 players who have used all their eligibility
- Andrew Luck
- David DeCastro
- Jonathan Martin
- Quinn Evans (who has medically retired)
- Harold Bernard (my guess is he won't be offered a fifth year)
- Alex Debniak (again, i doubt he's offered a fifth year)

That would get you to 20.

If Tyler Gaffney turns pro in baseball, that gets you to 21.

Depending on Gaffney's decision,  you need 1 or 2 more scholarships.

If there are other medical retirements or transfers, that could get you to 22. If not, I believe there are a few former walk-ons, now on scholarship, whose scholarship offers are for one year at a time. One or two of them might not get a scholarship in 2012.

Re: Who goes, who stays? - StannyBoy - 02-01-2012

pretty sure Schwartzstein is coming back. Some of the walk-ons have been put on scholarship so some of them could have their scholarships yanked. And I really doubt Gaffney will be around next season and if he is you'd think they'd try to move him to a baseball scholarship since that's his main sport.

Re: Who goes, who stays? - DC - 02-01-2012

I think baseball has a limited number of scholarships to give.  I heard that some on the baseball team are even on partial scholarships (not sure if that is true).

I would bet that at least one QB will transfer after competition sorts the depth chart out.

Re: Who goes, who stays? - pauloalto - 02-01-2012

I think this list contains walk-ons.

Kynes and Rotto, for example, are listed and both were mentioned in articles last spring as walk-ons.

Re: Who goes, who stays? - Hey - 02-01-2012

That's correct, by my count there are 28 walk-ons and 85 scholarship players, 85 is the maximum allowed.

Re: Who goes, who stays? - jayasena - 02-01-2012

(02-01-2012, 09:24 PM)young_money link Wrote:And I really doubt Gaffney will be around next season and if he is you'd think they'd try to move him to a baseball scholarship since that's his main sport.

Didn't think we had a choice in that anyone who played football and another sport counted against football. Or am I remembering that wrong?

Re: Who goes, who stays? - GoodGrief - 02-01-2012

(02-01-2012, 10:19 PM)somnambule link Wrote:[quote author=young_money link=topic=5504.msg40187#msg40187 date=1328156669]
And I really doubt Gaffney will be around next season and if he is you'd think they'd try to move him to a baseball scholarship since that's his main sport.

Didn't think we had a choice in that anyone who played football and another sport counted against football. Or am I remembering that wrong?
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You are correct. If a scholarship athlete plays football + another sport, then his scholarship has to come from football. This is to prevent the gymnastics team from signing on too many 300 pound high-bar specialists.

Re: Who goes, who stays? - Ratmandoo - 02-01-2012

(02-01-2012, 09:38 PM)DC link Wrote:I think baseball has a limited number of scholarships to give.  I heard that some on the baseball team are even on partial scholarships (not sure if that is true).

All the baseball players on the Stanford team are on partial scholarships. Baseball has 11.7 scholarships that it can split amongst all its players. Some other schools will give a full scholarship to one or more of its baseball players but Marquess doesn't give any of his players the full scholarship because of the limited resources and he'd rather give more players a part of the scholarship.

I think all the other men's sports other than football and basketball can split up scholarships into partial scholarships. Football and basketball are "head count" sports and everyone who gets a scholarship in those sports must get the full scholarship. 

Re: Who goes, who stays? - terry - 02-02-2012

There are 84 players currently on scholarship, so we start with 1 open scholarship.

There are 18 players graduating -- 14 have used all their eligibility and 4 are graduating with a year of eligibility remaining (Luck, Martin, DeCastro, Evans).

There are 3 walk-ons who were awarded scholarships "for this year" (Picazo, Ward, Parry). The implication was that these were one-year schollies, with the understanding that they might not be renewed.

That gets us to 22 available scholarships. That's enough.

I am confident that there will be some attrition between now and the beginning of fall camp. There always is. The top candidate to leave is Gaffney. But we always seem to lose somebody due to medical issues, transfer, or whatever. When the dust has settled, I think we will have enough scholarships for all of the scholarship players, as well as some or all of the 3 walk-ons mentioned above.