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Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - StannyBoy - 05-21-2012

The 4 star SF picked Georgetown today over Stanford. Definitely shows the basketball program still has a ways to go before catching up to the football program. This guy was right in our backyard too.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1188207.html

Re: Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - Robbie - 05-21-2012

I suppose you never want to lose a recruiting battle, but I'd rather lose to Georgetown than Washington. John Thompson III seems to do things the right way, on and off the court.

Re: Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - yvonne - 05-21-2012

Let's hope it's not as bad as the last time we lost a kid even closer in our back yard.

Re: Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - washingtonismoney - 05-21-2012

For whatever reason, basketball players are much more willing to leave their geographic area than football.

Re: Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - fullmetal - 05-21-2012

I saw more Georgetown games aired on major networks last season than Pac-12 games =\

Re: Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - socalstanfan1 - 05-21-2012

"I felt that I can develop as a player and person at Georgetown"--Stephen Domingo

I have no idea how Stanford players are developing off the court, but given the apparent on-court stagnation of Dwight Powell and Anthony Brown, I'd say Stephen is a perceptive young man.  I've been a supporter of Dawkins in his first couple of years, but his failure to really get his players to develp their basketball skills last season (NIT run not withstanding) was extremely disappointing.  One wonders: if Domingo had seen players really improving from one year to the next under Dawkins if his decision might have been different.

Re: Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - StannyBoy - 05-21-2012

Dawkins is such a bum in so many ways.

Re: Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - washingtonismoney - 05-21-2012

(05-21-2012, 04:27 PM)socalstanfan1 link Wrote:"I felt that I can develop as a player and person at Georgetown"--Stephen Domingo

I have no idea how Stanford players are developing off the court, but given the apparent on-court stagnation of Dwight Powell and Anthony Brown, I'd say Stephen is a perceptive young man.  I've been a supporter of Dawkins in his first couple of years, but his failure to really get his players to develp their basketball skills last season (NIT run not withstanding) was extremely disappointing. 

Don't think that's fair to Dawkins. Powell and Brown were injured almost all of last season. Brown's injury--Osgood-Schlatter--is an extremely tough thing to get over. My brother quit tennis for three or four months because of it.

At any rate, whatever else you can criticize Dawkins for, it sure as heck isn't recruiting. Losing one player shouldn't change our opinion on this front.

(Addition: Considering its access to a higher class of recruit, I wouldn't term Georgetown's player development efforts any brobdingnagian boon on this front.)

Re: Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - StannyBoy - 05-21-2012

Dawkins was terrible last season. Always playing random lineups and rotations, playing 3 guys at a time who couldn't shoot, won't start ripping individual players but last season was a pathetic coaching performance. Once he started playing 8, 9 max, is when they started playing well. Too bad it was too little too late.

Re: Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - washingtonismoney - 05-21-2012

Sure. I've been as vituperative on the subject of Dawkins's failings as anyone on this board, except probably for garvin. But Dawkins's failings emphatically do not include recruiting or developing Powell and Brown; arguing that they do is just reaching. There's more than enough evidence to convict him.

Re: Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - socalstanfan1 - 05-22-2012

(05-21-2012, 05:24 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[quote author=socalstanfan1 link=topic=5929.msg43739#msg43739 date=1337642824]
"I felt that I can develop as a player and person at Georgetown"--Stephen Domingo

I have no idea how Stanford players are developing off the court, but given the apparent on-court stagnation of Dwight Powell and Anthony Brown, I'd say Stephen is a perceptive young man.  I've been a supporter of Dawkins in his first couple of years, but his failure to really get his players to develp their basketball skills last season (NIT run not withstanding) was extremely disappointing. 

Don't think that's fair to Dawkins. Powell and Brown were injured almost all of last season. Brown's injury--Osgood-Schlatter--is an extremely tough thing to get over. My brother quit tennis for three or four months because of it.

At any rate, whatever else you can criticize Dawkins for, it sure as heck isn't recruiting. Losing one player shouldn't change our opinion on this front.

(Addition: Considering its access to a higher class of recruit, I wouldn't term Georgetown's player development efforts any of extremely large proportions boon on this front.)
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Certainly Dawkins has recruited well in the past, but if players do not develop the recruiting will dry up soon.  I disagree with you on this.  Injuries may help explain lack of development in some players, but I don't think it explains all.  Sure, Domingo is a single recruit.  But I'm guessing we would have a much better shot at recruiting if players coming out of HS see actual progress from year to year with both the team and the development of individual players.

Re: Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - washingtonismoney - 05-22-2012

(05-22-2012, 05:01 AM)socalstanfan1 link Wrote:Certainly Dawkins has recruited well in the past, but if players do not develop the recruiting will dry up soon.  I disagree with you on this.  Injuries may help explain lack of development in some players, but I don't think it explains all.  Sure, Domingo is a single recruit.  But I'm guessing we would have a much better shot at recruiting if players coming out of HS see actual progress from year to year with both the team and the development of individual players.

Except the other players have developed. Bright was a completely different (and better) player his second season than his first, Randle developed throughout the season...Gage developed to a lesser extent. Nastic is a stiff so I don't blame Dawkins for not developing him. Zimmerman got better every year. Owens developed a ton under Dawkins's watch. Mann didn't really develop but I view that as a Nastic-type problem--there's little natural talent there in the first place. (Now, if you want to ask why Mann played so much, there's an excellent question.)

It's hard to look at Stanford basketball and conclude development is a problem. What I would conclude is rotations, substitutions, timeouts, and other in-game management is a brobdingnagian problem--in fact, the primary problem with the Dawkins era going forward. (There were some brobdingnagian problems that just won't be an issue going forward--for example, the 2008 Olympics debacle won't be repeated.)

Re: Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - socalstanfan1 - 05-22-2012

WIM, I certainly agree on some of the points you make.  Bright was far better in year two than year one, though in my recollection he started off the season like a house on fire then cooled somewhat as we got into Pac-12 play.  But yes, better.  Randle, better.  But here I am somewhat skeptical about how much of that improvement is due to Dawkins, or whether it was just a matter of getting adjusted to the college game.  Sometimes talent develops due to the grit and work of the player despite the coaching.  But, granted, there was improvement.  I hope that the situation of Anthony Brown and Powell is simply a result of their fighting injuries all year long.  I would LOVE to be proven wrong in my evaluation of Dawkins' ability to develop talent.  But each of the last two years the team has started off strong, then regressed as it entered Pac-12 play.  The better programs generally don't see that kind of movement; they usually move in the other direction.  Whether this is due to the coach's inability to create a system, or manage a game, in a way that gets the most out of his players, or his inability to teach and coach up those players to get the most out of their talent, seems to be where we have some disagreement.  Sometimes the two are related.

I think we have a talented team, one that could be performing much better than it has.  And due to the strength of his recruiting, I was a firm Dawkins supporter until well into last season.  And, as I said above, I'd love for Dawkins to come out and make me eat my words this upcoming season; healthy players develop into all-conference selections, team goes to March Madness, etc.  But I'll be extremely skeptical until I actually see it happen



Re: Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - washingtonismoney - 05-22-2012

I agree that there are problems with the Dawkins era, and I would've supported a Dawkins firing at the end of the season; I just don't think those problems involve player development.



Re: Stephen Domingo to Georgetown - yvonne - 05-22-2012

I think Bowlsby pulled a Barbour when he extended Dawkins' contract a couple of years ago. In fact, it's worse because Dawkins hadn't even had a winning season. Fortunately, the contract probably won't be burdensome to pick up next year, and the new AD will have no qualms about dropping him and getting his own guy in there.