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Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - TreeFitty - 10-28-2012
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Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - TreeFitty - 10-28-2012
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Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - Farm93 - 10-28-2012
The good news is the crowd above Stanford includes a lot of teams from one conference, and a school that is ineligible for bowl games.
Stanford still has a clear, though unlikely, path to the Pac-12 championship. And in the likely event of a loss to Oregon, a clear path to the #2 Pac-12 slot and a possible BCS at-large invite.
It is stunningly clear that the Pac-12 North is better than the Pac-12 South. It is possible/probable that the Pac-12 South winner will not be in the BCS 14 before the Pac-12 CG. Hard to see that team winning that game, so the Pac-12 South is unlikely to have a team in the BCS 14 after the conference title games. Therefore, Oregon State vs. Stanford is probably going to determine the second highest ranked Pac-12 team. And that Pac-12 North team will likely slide into the BCS 14 if their only loss going forward is to Oregon.
The SEC clogs up the BCS 14 with teams that will not be able to get BCS invites. Ohio State clogs up a slot too. And the ultra desirable BigTen seems unlikely to have two teams in the BCS 14. The ACC's two best both must play better SEC teams at the end of the year and play in a very weak conference. It is not out of the question that the ACC only has one BCS 14 team in the end.
It really is possible that the winner of the Oregon State vs. Stanford game finishes 12th, 13th, or 14th in the final BCS standings and because of the crowd of SEC teams in the top 14 that Pac-12 team might be in a place where it must get an invite.
Notre Dame's almost lost to Stanford. That sounds better for Stanford as the year progresses. If Stanford can get at least a similar claim with Oregon and a 9-3 record that really might be enough.
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - Farm93 - 10-28-2012
The good news is the crowd above Stanford includes a lot of teams from one conference, and a school that is ineligible for bowl games.
Stanford still has a clear, though unlikely, path to the Pac-12 championship. And in the likely event of a loss to Oregon, a clear path to the #2 Pac-12 slot and a possible BCS at-large invite.
It is stunningly clear that the Pac-12 North is better than the Pac-12 South. It is possible/probable that the Pac-12 South winner will not be in the BCS 14 before the Pac-12 CG. Hard to see that team winning that game, so the Pac-12 South is unlikely to have a team in the BCS 14 after the conference title games. Therefore, Oregon State vs. Stanford is probably going to determine the second highest ranked Pac-12 team. And that Pac-12 North team will likely slide into the BCS 14 if their only loss going forward is to Oregon.
The SEC clogs up the BCS 14 with teams that will not be able to get BCS invites. Ohio State clogs up a slot too. And the ultra desirable BigTen seems unlikely to have two teams in the BCS 14. The ACC's two best both must play better SEC teams at the end of the year and play in a very weak conference. It is not out of the question that the ACC only has one BCS 14 team in the end.
It really is possible that the winner of the Oregon State vs. Stanford game finishes 12th, 13th, or 14th in the final BCS standings and because of the crowd of SEC teams in the top 14 that Pac-12 team might be in a place where it must get an invite.
Notre Dame's almost lost to Stanford. That sounds better for Stanford as the year progresses. If Stanford can get at least a similar claim with Oregon and a 9-3 record that really might be enough.
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - dabigv13 - 10-28-2012
I think Oregon is going to really try to paste us to make clear how much better than Notre Dame they are (and yeah, they are much much better than ND).
What happened to Colorado could happen to us, and they might not call off the dogs in the 2nd half. It's a frightening prospect.
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - dabigv13 - 10-28-2012
I think Oregon is going to really try to paste us to make clear how much better than Notre Dame they are (and yeah, they are much much better than ND).
What happened to Colorado could happen to us, and they might not call off the dogs in the 2nd half. It's a frightening prospect.
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - Roberton3 - 10-28-2012
(10-28-2012, 12:33 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:The good news is the crowd above Stanford includes a lot of teams from one conference, and a school that is ineligible for bowl games.
Stanford still has a clear, though unlikely, path to the Pac-12 championship. And in the likely event of a loss to Oregon, a clear path to the #2 Pac-12 slot and a possible BCS at-large invite.
It is stunningly clear that the Pac-12 North is better than the Pac-12 South. It is possible/probable that the Pac-12 South winner will not be in the BCS 14 before the Pac-12 CG. Hard to see that team winning that game, so the Pac-12 South is unlikely to have a team in the BCS 14 after the conference title games. Therefore, Oregon State vs. Stanford is probably going to determine the second highest ranked Pac-12 team. And that Pac-12 North team will likely slide into the BCS 14 if their only loss going forward is to Oregon.
The SEC clogs up the BCS 14 with teams that will not be able to get BCS invites. Ohio State clogs up a slot too. And the ultra desirable BigTen seems unlikely to have two teams in the BCS 14. The ACC's two best both must play better SEC teams at the end of the year and play in a very weak conference. It is not out of the question that the ACC only has one BCS 14 team in the end.
It really is possible that the winner of the Oregon State vs. Stanford game finishes 12th, 13th, or 14th in the final BCS standings and because of the crowd of SEC teams in the top 14 that Pac-12 team might be in a place where it must get an invite.
Northern Indiana Parochial College's almost lost to Stanford. That sounds better for Stanford as the year progresses. If Stanford can get at least a similar claim with Oregon and a 9-3 record that really might be enough.
You're wrong about one thing: because they're ineligible, Ohio State doesn't show up in the BCS rankings at all, so they don't take up a BCS 14 slot. Otherwise, though, your analysis seems correct to me.
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - Roberton3 - 10-28-2012
(10-28-2012, 12:33 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:The good news is the crowd above Stanford includes a lot of teams from one conference, and a school that is ineligible for bowl games.
Stanford still has a clear, though unlikely, path to the Pac-12 championship. And in the likely event of a loss to Oregon, a clear path to the #2 Pac-12 slot and a possible BCS at-large invite.
It is stunningly clear that the Pac-12 North is better than the Pac-12 South. It is possible/probable that the Pac-12 South winner will not be in the BCS 14 before the Pac-12 CG. Hard to see that team winning that game, so the Pac-12 South is unlikely to have a team in the BCS 14 after the conference title games. Therefore, Oregon State vs. Stanford is probably going to determine the second highest ranked Pac-12 team. And that Pac-12 North team will likely slide into the BCS 14 if their only loss going forward is to Oregon.
The SEC clogs up the BCS 14 with teams that will not be able to get BCS invites. Ohio State clogs up a slot too. And the ultra desirable BigTen seems unlikely to have two teams in the BCS 14. The ACC's two best both must play better SEC teams at the end of the year and play in a very weak conference. It is not out of the question that the ACC only has one BCS 14 team in the end.
It really is possible that the winner of the Oregon State vs. Stanford game finishes 12th, 13th, or 14th in the final BCS standings and because of the crowd of SEC teams in the top 14 that Pac-12 team might be in a place where it must get an invite.
Northern Indiana Parochial College's almost lost to Stanford. That sounds better for Stanford as the year progresses. If Stanford can get at least a similar claim with Oregon and a 9-3 record that really might be enough.
You're wrong about one thing: because they're ineligible, Ohio State doesn't show up in the BCS rankings at all, so they don't take up a BCS 14 slot. Otherwise, though, your analysis seems correct to me.
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - Farm93 - 10-28-2012
I did not want to imply Ohio State takes a BCS slot rather their winning creates BigTen problems clogging up the system. So essentially their winning acts to spoil the BigTen at-large possibilities. Their winning clogs up the selection process that favors the big schools. Good catch.
At the moment the BigTen Conference Game winner will likely just barely be in the top 14. Several other marginal BigTen teams need to face Ohio State or other strong teams in the conference. So as long as Ohio State keeps winning it is unlikely the BigTen will get an at-large bid.
There are 4 at-large bids open. SEC will get one, for sure. Notre Dame will get one too, for sure.
In the end the Big East and the BigTen will not get at-large bids.
So the last two at-large bids will be settled between the ACC, the Big12 and the Pac-12.
The Big12 has K-State for sure. And then several two loss teams that need to play each other still. However, their conference strength is crazy. So in my mind they have the third invite, it is just a matter of determining the team.
Upsets in the conference championship game in the ACC would be bad news. Without that upset the ACC has two possible teams at the moment - Clemson and Florida State. They both have very tough schedules and one will get the automatic bid if things go correctly. Both play good SEC teams, so my guess is one will fall away in time.
If the ACC goes the Pac-12 way there would be one invite, and only one conference to take the slot.
It really is not out of the realm that the winner of Oregon State vs. Stanford is going to get the last BCS at-large slot. It won't matter if the team has a big fan base or that other teams are more desirable. In the end, it could be that the second Pac-12 team is the only option.
November 10th becomes H...!!!
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - Farm93 - 10-28-2012
I did not want to imply Ohio State takes a BCS slot rather their winning creates BigTen problems clogging up the system. So essentially their winning acts to spoil the BigTen at-large possibilities. Their winning clogs up the selection process that favors the big schools. Good catch.
At the moment the BigTen Conference Game winner will likely just barely be in the top 14. Several other marginal BigTen teams need to face Ohio State or other strong teams in the conference. So as long as Ohio State keeps winning it is unlikely the BigTen will get an at-large bid.
There are 4 at-large bids open. SEC will get one, for sure. Notre Dame will get one too, for sure.
In the end the Big East and the BigTen will not get at-large bids.
So the last two at-large bids will be settled between the ACC, the Big12 and the Pac-12.
The Big12 has K-State for sure. And then several two loss teams that need to play each other still. However, their conference strength is crazy. So in my mind they have the third invite, it is just a matter of determining the team.
Upsets in the conference championship game in the ACC would be bad news. Without that upset the ACC has two possible teams at the moment - Clemson and Florida State. They both have very tough schedules and one will get the automatic bid if things go correctly. Both play good SEC teams, so my guess is one will fall away in time.
If the ACC goes the Pac-12 way there would be one invite, and only one conference to take the slot.
It really is not out of the realm that the winner of Oregon State vs. Stanford is going to get the last BCS at-large slot. It won't matter if the team has a big fan base or that other teams are more desirable. In the end, it could be that the second Pac-12 team is the only option.
November 10th becomes H...!!!
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - Spiny_Norman - 10-28-2012
(10-28-2012, 05:16 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:So the last two at-large bids will be settled between the ACC, the Big12 and the Pac-12.
Add Boise State to the mix. If they win out, they will likely be eligible for an at-large bid. Most of the bowl projections today include SEC2, Notre Dame, Oregon State and Boise State.
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - Spiny_Norman - 10-28-2012
(10-28-2012, 05:16 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:So the last two at-large bids will be settled between the ACC, the Big12 and the Pac-12.
Add Boise State to the mix. If they win out, they will likely be eligible for an at-large bid. Most of the bowl projections today include SEC2, Notre Dame, Oregon State and Boise State.
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - washingtonismoney - 10-28-2012
Yeah, only way Stanford goes BCS Bowling is if it's the Rose Bowl-- either through winning out and capturing the conference title, or by going 9-3 and Oregon going to the national championship game. In that scenario, Rose Bowl does the traditional thing and takes us.
That said, 8-4 still looks like the most likely scenario for this team. Oregon State and UCLA are both basically tossups.
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - washingtonismoney - 10-28-2012
Yeah, only way Stanford goes BCS Bowling is if it's the Rose Bowl-- either through winning out and capturing the conference title, or by going 9-3 and Oregon going to the national championship game. In that scenario, Rose Bowl does the traditional thing and takes us.
That said, 8-4 still looks like the most likely scenario for this team. Oregon State and UCLA are both basically tossups.
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - Roberton3 - 10-28-2012
Interesting numbers in the new BCS standings. Stanford is at #14, but is closer to being #9 than to being #15 (there's a big gap between 14 and 15 and a tightly bunched group just ahead).
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - Roberton3 - 10-28-2012
Interesting numbers in the new BCS standings. Stanford is at #14, but is closer to being #9 than to being #15 (there's a big gap between 14 and 15 and a tightly bunched group just ahead).
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - ChicagoCard - 10-28-2012
(10-28-2012, 06:07 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Yeah, only way Stanford goes BCS Bowling is if it's the Rose Bowl-- either through winning out and capturing the conference title, or by going 9-3 and Oregon going to the national championship game. In that scenario, Rose Bowl does the traditional thing and takes us.
What happened a couple years ago when TCU got in against Wisconsin? Am too lazy to find out myself, but something about arcane rules into effect with Oregon going to the BCS championship game and eligible non-BCS conf teams.
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - ChicagoCard - 10-28-2012
(10-28-2012, 06:07 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Yeah, only way Stanford goes BCS Bowling is if it's the Rose Bowl-- either through winning out and capturing the conference title, or by going 9-3 and Oregon going to the national championship game. In that scenario, Rose Bowl does the traditional thing and takes us.
What happened a couple years ago when TCU got in against Wisconsin? Am too lazy to find out myself, but something about arcane rules into effect with Oregon going to the BCS championship game and eligible non-BCS conf teams.
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - washingtonismoney - 10-28-2012
(10-28-2012, 06:25 PM)ChicagoOutsider link Wrote:What happened a couple years ago when TCU got in against Wisconsin? Am too lazy to find out myself, but something about arcane rules into effect with Oregon going to the BCS championship game and eligible non-BCS conf teams.
Yeah, I don't remember the exact rule, but:
Basically once every five years the Rose Bowl had to take the best qualifying non-AQ team. I think it's five. Anyway, no requirement this year (and no certainty that there'll be any qualifying team, at any rate.)
Re: Stanford #15 AP/#15 USAT - washingtonismoney - 10-28-2012
(10-28-2012, 06:25 PM)ChicagoOutsider link Wrote:What happened a couple years ago when TCU got in against Wisconsin? Am too lazy to find out myself, but something about arcane rules into effect with Oregon going to the BCS championship game and eligible non-BCS conf teams.
Yeah, I don't remember the exact rule, but:
Basically once every five years the Rose Bowl had to take the best qualifying non-AQ team. I think it's five. Anyway, no requirement this year (and no certainty that there'll be any qualifying team, at any rate.)