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Poole: Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll have history of mutual contempt - yvonne - 12-19-2012
What's their deal?
http://www.mercurynews.com/monte-poole/ci_22217598/poole-jim-harbaugh-pete-carroll-have-history-mutual
Re: Poole: Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll have history of mutual contempt - FarmBoy - 12-19-2012
The part the article gets wrong is when the enmity started. I think the seeds were laid much earlier than the 2009 game. First when Harbaugh announced that Stanford would bow to no program and then followed up that claim with the greatest upset of all time. Second in 2008 when Stanford was losing by a couple of TDs at home and Stanford drove for a FG at the end of the end of the game. Carroll called a TO, presumably to ice the kicker, and coming out of the time out, Harbaugh sent Pritchard back on the field to throw a TD as time expired, ensuring that USC didn't cover the spread. Not much was made of that TD at the time because it didn't change the result, but I'm sure the two coaches perceived those last game choices as personal affronts.
The events of the past few weeks for the Seattle (throwing into the end zone late in the Arizona game up 50-0 and the fake punt when up by 30 last week) should serve as a reminder of what a hypocritical little git Carrol is. And all those U.SC fans who kept rationalizing that U.SC running up the score was somehow different in quality to that one 2-point attempt.
It's a fantastic rivalry. I hope Harbaugh continues to dominate it.
Re: Poole: Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll have history of mutual contempt - FarmBoy - 12-19-2012
It's all little pieces that build up to the crescendo of the the 2009 "what's your deal."
I think you give too much credit to the impact Harbaugh's public statements about Carroll having one foot out the door. I'm sure he thought it was an inappropriate breach of coaching protocol, but do you think he really felt his recruiting potential was threatened by trash talk from the rookie coach of the perennial conference doormat ? I'm sure PC laughed that off in seconds with anything recruit/parent who may have raised it. Maybe if Harbaugh had said something like that in 2009, after beating U.SC so handily, it would be more than a nuisance, but in 2007, Harbaugh was not a credible risk to boys of Troy.
Re: Poole: Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll have history of mutual contempt - terry - 12-19-2012
(12-19-2012, 10:22 AM)garvin link Wrote:I think the importance of the "we bow to no program" stuff has been wildly exaggerated. . . .
What Carroll did care about, I'm certain, were Harbaugh's public statements during his first season that everybody knew Carroll was headed to the NFL and wouldn't be around the next year.
Those two things were parts of the same sequence of events in the spring of 2007. Harbaugh told a reporter that he heard Carroll would be leaving U.S.C. in a year for the NFL. Carroll denied it, and was rather snippy about it. Reporters then asked Harbaugh if he was going to call Carroll to apologize. Harbaugh refused to apologize, saying "We bow to no man. We bow to no program here at Stanford University." The two comments were made less than a week apart. I definitely think both comments by Harbaugh got under Carroll's skin. And I agree, Monte Poole got it wrong when he traces their conflict back only to "what's your deal" in 2009.
Re: Poole: Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll have history of mutual contempt - SamAtoms1980 - 12-19-2012
Don't forget that during the 2007 media day, Harbaugh referred to U.S.C. as "one of the greatest teams in college football history." A remark that definitely left Carroll nonplussed. His response, as I remember, was something like, "You've got to love Jim, don't ya?"
IMO the reason Harbaugh gave Carroll so much trouble psychologically, was not the damage Harbaugh did to the reputation of U.S.C. directly, but the way Harbaugh brought an attitude and an M.O. to Stanford, and what he stood for, that was the perfect antithesis for the attitude Carroll brought to U.S.C. and what he stood for. Carroll could see, just about from the get-go, that Harbaugh would be at the very least a major thorn in his side, and a challenge to the Trojan Empire, more likely sooner than later. The Greatest Upset Ever was the first shot, until it was over it never even occurred to Carroll that he would lose that game, and it supremely backed up Harbaugh's attitude of having no fear. Although Harbaugh was overpowered in the 2008 game, he still showed as much defiance as he could. After the pummeling Harbaugh delivered to U.S.C. in Los Angeles in 2009, and with the T.r.o.j.a.n.s. in the shadow of the NCAA hammer, Carroll had had enough. The icing on the cake was that not only did Harbaugh follow Carroll to the NFL, he landed with him in the NFC West, one year after Carroll did. He may have escaped from NCAA sanctions, but his attempt to avoid Harbaugh proved futile.