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New wide receiver coach coming? - washingtonismoney - 01-16-2013

Football scoop is reporting that our graduate assistant, Aaron Moorehead, is being hired as a real-deal coach by Virginia Tech (wideouts, naturally): https://twitter.com/footballscoop/status/291533616146702336

As we've discussed a fair bit, the WR coaching system has been weird, with some split in responsibilities between Moorehead, Shaw and Hamilton. Whether this has been a contributing factor to the poor WR play is unknown, but at any rate it can't continue.

I wonder how Shaw will respond. There are basically two paths I see:
1) if Hamilton stays put -- Shaw returns to his original calling of coaching wide receivers. IIRC Shaw coached wideouts between 2008 and '10, when they were actually pretty good, especially relative to perceived raw talent (but maybe this is the fan equivalent of beer goggles).

2) if Hamilton leaves -- well, then you have a full-blown staff reshuffling, which could result in all sorts of permutations.

EDIT: (congratulations are due, of course, to Moorehead. Virginia Tech's a nice job and hopefully he'll do well. Also, nice for us in the future in selling the program to prospective graduate assistants, who can truthfully be told we're a feeder to good jobs.)Â

Maybe it was talent, not coaching - Redrum - 01-16-2013

And the talent I'm referring to was Ryan Whalen.Â Followed by Griff Whalen.Â I'd also toss in Owusu, but I can't remember how his injury interludes match up with dates.Â And then he had Doug Baldwin when the guy finally caught fire.Â Â Meanwhile, the TE corps was at its strongest, which meant defenses couldn'tÂ devote all their effort at shutting down the WRs.

And, ahem, they had Andrew Luck throwing to them.Â Of all that group, I would say the most significant WR was Ryan Whalen.

This season our TEs were much less productive as a group despite Ertz'Â outstanding season.Â We had an injured and undeveloped Montgomery and the very dependable but underused Terrell.Â

And, we had Nunes throwing to them for half the season and a rookie Hogan at the helm for the rest.Â Â Coaching could have made some difference twixt the two distinguishableÂ eras but, in general, the talent drove the results.Â With this new group coming in,Â finally there is some WR talent to play with.Â "Fixing"Â Montgomery's drops/constant near misses is job one.

Re: New wide receiver coach coming? - washingtonismoney - 01-16-2013

TEs were pretty minimally productive from 2008-10, at least relative to 2011-12. In 2010 four of the top five receivers were non-TEs (and Doug Baldwin was 2nd team all Pac-12); in 2009 three of the top five were non-TEs, but Whalen and Owusu accounted for 1600 yards (of 2700 possible yards); 2008 was also 3/5, though without as heavy a skew.

While Andrew Luck was throwing to the wideouts (accounting for greater absolute production), why doesn't this effect wideouts and non-wideouts alike (which is about greater relative production)?

The "talent" question is basically unanswerable -- but then again, considering all four names you named are now drawing paychecks in the NFL despite relatively modest regard coming into the program, maybe it would be smart to reinstate the coach who got them there?

Re: Maybe it was talent, not coaching - jayasena - 01-16-2013

(01-16-2013, 10:21 AM)Redrum link Wrote:With this new group coming in,Â finally there is some WR talent to play with.Â "Fixing"Â Montgomery's drops/constant near misses is job one.

Do we have enough evidence to conclude that yet? JRP, Roberts and Montgomery were all 4-star recruits according to Scout. Only Chris Francis Owusu in the 2012 and 2013 classes (so far) match that, right? Of course, we all know star ratings could mean very little and the slightly greater number of available WRs may improve the odds of finding real contributors next year, but still... declaring we have more talent going forward seems premature.

Re: Maybe it was talent, not coaching - kuz - 01-16-2013

(01-16-2013, 10:58 AM)somnambule link Wrote:[quote author=Redrum link=topic=7406.msg57271#msg57271 date=1358356879]With this new group coming in,Â finally there is some WR talent to play with.Â "Fixing"Â Montgomery's drops/constant near misses is job one.

Do we have enough evidence to conclude that yet? JRP, Roberts and Montgomery were all 4-star recruits according to Scout. Only Chris Owusu in the 2012 and 2013 classes (so far) match that, right? Of course, we all know star ratings could mean very little and the slightly greater number of available WRs may improve the odds of finding real contributors next year, but still... declaring we have more talent going forward seems premature.
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I'm pretty sure you mean Francis. And I think Kodi Whitfield was a 4-star on some sites.

Re: Maybe it was talent, not coaching - jayasena - 01-16-2013

(01-16-2013, 09:33 PM)kuz link Wrote:[quote author=somnambule link=topic=7406.msg57278#msg57278 date=1358359127]
[quote author=Redrum link=topic=7406.msg57271#msg57271 date=1358356879]With this new group coming in,Â finally there is some WR talent to play with.Â "Fixing"Â Montgomery's drops/constant near misses is job one.