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WBB: 2001-02 vs 2012-13 - 81alum - 04-01-2013

I tried to find the team/season in Stanford women's basketball history that most closely resembled this year's team.

The last time we made it to the sweet sixteen but lost was in 2002.  That team was 32-3, had lost only 2 games all season before losing a 3 point nail biter to Colorado in the West regional at Boise State.

That team was led by Nicole Powell in her sophomore year and Lindsey Yamasaki in her senior year.  Other names were Bethany Donaphin at center, Kelly Suminski, and T'Nae Thiel (freshman forward).  Susan King was on the team but out for the year with a knee injury.

Lindsey and Nicole were both prolific three point shooters, at 38% and 42%, respectively.  In that game, though, Lindsey was 0/3 and Nicole 2/7 from three.

Nicole nearly averaged a double double that year, with 17 points and 9 rebounds a game, and of course went on to be one of Stanford's greatest players, and still plays in the WNBA.  She earned multiple triple-doubles over the course of her career.  Lindsey went on to play professionally for several years and then went into coaching.

In the loss to Colorado, with time running out and the score 62-59, Nicole had the ball and an open look for a three before the buzzer.  She passed it to Lindsey who took a rushed shot that missed.  With regard to our offense, "We were trying to force too much and we couldn't get into a rhythm," VanDerveer said.

The loss to Colorado was refereed by Missy Barlow.

WBB: 2001-02 vs 2012-13 - 81alum - 04-01-2013

I tried to find the team/season in Stanford women's basketball history that most closely resembled this year's team.

The last time we made it to the sweet sixteen but lost was in 2002.  That team was 32-3, had lost only 2 games all season before losing a 3 point nail biter to Colorado in the West regional at Boise State.

That team was led by Nicole Powell in her sophomore year and Lindsey Yamasaki in her senior year.  Other names were Bethany Donaphin at center, Kelly Suminski, and T'Nae Thiel (freshman forward).  Susan King was on the team but out for the year with a knee injury.

Lindsey and Nicole were both prolific three point shooters, at 38% and 42%, respectively.  In that game, though, Lindsey was 0/3 and Nicole 2/7 from three.

Nicole nearly averaged a double double that year, with 17 points and 9 rebounds a game, and of course went on to be one of Stanford's greatest players, and still plays in the WNBA.  She earned multiple triple-doubles over the course of her career.  Lindsey went on to play professionally for several years and then went into coaching.

In the loss to Colorado, with time running out and the score 62-59, Nicole had the ball and an open look for a three before the buzzer.  She passed it to Lindsey who took a rushed shot that missed.  With regard to our offense, "We were trying to force too much and we couldn't get into a rhythm," VanDerveer said.

The loss to Colorado was refereed by Missy Barlow.

Re: WBB: 2001-02 vs 2012-13 - Yellowlab - 04-01-2013

Could we get that ref's name changed to "she who must NOT be named"?


Re: WBB: 2001-02 vs 2012-13 - Yellowlab - 04-01-2013

Could we get that ref's name changed to "she who must NOT be named"?


Re: WBB: 2001-02 vs 2012-13 - Ferris_Bueller - 04-01-2013

(04-01-2013, 01:16 PM)wbbfan2 link Wrote:Could we get that ref's name changed to "she who must be named"?

Some friends of mine [actually just me] have long thought of Ms Melissa Barlow as Guppy Face, offered in nomination should the need arise.

That's all i got.

Re: WBB: 2001-02 vs 2012-13 - Ferris_Bueller - 04-01-2013

(04-01-2013, 01:16 PM)wbbfan2 link Wrote:Could we get that ref's name changed to "she who must be named"?

Some friends of mine [actually just me] have long thought of Ms Melissa Barlow as Guppy Face, offered in nomination should the need arise.

That's all i got.

Re: WBB: 2001-02 vs 2012-13 - Griffins78 - 04-01-2013

I do agree with what Kara Lawson has been saying on ESPN about raising the quality level of the referees in Women's Basketball. As the quality of the game elevates and you have players and coaches putting so much work and effort into playing the game at the highest level - they really do need referees that can match that level of effort and play.

With all the big TV dollars flowing into NCAA sports, they really need to spend some of that money on paying to attract and develop better referees.

Re: WBB: 2001-02 vs 2012-13 - Griffins78 - 04-01-2013

I do agree with what Kara Lawson has been saying on ESPN about raising the quality level of the referees in Women's Basketball. As the quality of the game elevates and you have players and coaches putting so much work and effort into playing the game at the highest level - they really do need referees that can match that level of effort and play.

With all the big TV dollars flowing into NCAA sports, they really need to spend some of that money on paying to attract and develop better referees.

Re: WBB: 2001-02 vs 2012-13 - WAcard - 04-02-2013

You do realize the 3 pt line is farther out?

Re: WBB: 2001-02 vs 2012-13 - WAcard - 04-02-2013

You do realize the 3 pt line is farther out?

Re: WBB: 2001-02 vs 2012-13 - 81alum - 04-02-2013

(04-02-2013, 01:22 PM)WAcard link Wrote:You do realize the 3 pt line is farther out?
Um, not quite sure what this in reference to?  When they moved the three point line in WBB back to equal the men's line in 2011, Stanford's three point shooting did seem to decline, but this was probably due to Jeanette's graduation more than anything else.
2012-13 32%
2011-12 31%
2010-11 36%
2009-10 34%

Nationally, I have not seen any stats that show that moving the line has resulted in an overall decline in three point shooting in WBB.  I looked for national stats and could not find any on the NCAA stat site.  Would be interesting to know.

Re: WBB: 2001-02 vs 2012-13 - 81alum - 04-02-2013

(04-02-2013, 01:22 PM)WAcard link Wrote:You do realize the 3 pt line is farther out?
Um, not quite sure what this in reference to?  When they moved the three point line in WBB back to equal the men's line in 2011, Stanford's three point shooting did seem to decline, but this was probably due to Jeanette's graduation more than anything else.
2012-13 32%
2011-12 31%
2010-11 36%
2009-10 34%

Nationally, I have not seen any stats that show that moving the line has resulted in an overall decline in three point shooting in WBB.  I looked for national stats and could not find any on the NCAA stat site.  Would be interesting to know.

Re: WBB: 2001-02 vs 2012-13 - M T - 04-15-2013

Sorry if anyone objects to my responding to 2 week old topic....
(04-02-2013, 06:12 PM)81alum link Wrote:Nationally, I have not seen any stats that show that moving the [3pt] line has resulted in an overall decline in three point shooting in WBB.  I looked for national stats and could not find any on the NCAA stat site.  Would be interesting to know.
I'm not sure that a overall 3PT% would be the best measure.  I think it is telling to see the 3PT% of the Nth best 3PT% over various years.
from stats at http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings?doWhat=archive&sportCode=WBB
2002:  1st:  70/145 48.3% ; 10th  58/133  43.6% ;  25th  64/158  40.5%  ;  50th  67/175  38.3% ; 100th 60/183  32.8%
2006:  1st:  69/137 50.4% ; 10th  69/156  44.2% ;  25th  46/111  41.4%  ;  50th  62/160  38.8% ; 100th 68/200  34.0%
2010:  1st:  92/182 50.5% ; 10th  85/191  44.5% ;  25th* 66/160  41.3%  ;  50th  70/179  39.1% ; 100th 73/215  34.0%
2011:  1st:  78/157 49.7% ; 10th  58/134  43.3% ;  25th  64/158  40.5%  ;  50th  98/256  38.3% ; 100th 75/214  35.0%

2012:  1st:  96/217 44.2% ; 10th  58/143  40.6% ;  25th  77/203  37.9%  ;  50th  63/174  36.2% ; 100th 80/257  31.1%
2013:  1st: 118/240 49.2% ; 10th  70/167  41.9% ;  25th  74/190  38.9%  ;  50th  65/177  36.7% ; 100th 85/262  32.4%

The thing that surprised me is that 3PT% didn't show much movement from 2002 to 2011, but maybe 2010-2011 was a relatively weak year.
After the change, you expect a drop off.  And you expect the numbers to improve over the next 3-4 years as the then-current players have more years of practice with the new distance.

Btw, the only Stanford players to show up in the rankings in the years above was Jeanette in 2011, as #19 at 41.7%, and Krista (#12, 43.8%) and Candice (#14, 43.3%) in 2006.

(04-01-2013, 01:15 AM)81alum link Wrote:Lindsey and Nicole were both prolific three point shooters, at 38% and 42%, respectively.  In that game, though, Lindsey was 0/3 and Nicole 2/7 from three.
Stanford played 35 games.  A player needed two 3PTers per game to get into the NCAA stats.  Lindsey had 62; Nicole had 68.

Here are the best FG% for 2002 - 2013 per year.  It seems odd that the numbers dropped in the last two years.  I doubt it was the movement of the 3pt line.  Officiating?
66.1, 66.2, 65.7, 67.1, 67.0, 70.7, 64.7, 67.8, 66.4, 71.4, 62.3, 60.7


Re: WBB: 2001-02 vs 2012-13 - M T - 04-15-2013

Sorry if anyone objects to my responding to 2 week old topic....
(04-02-2013, 06:12 PM)81alum link Wrote:Nationally, I have not seen any stats that show that moving the [3pt] line has resulted in an overall decline in three point shooting in WBB.  I looked for national stats and could not find any on the NCAA stat site.  Would be interesting to know.
I'm not sure that a overall 3PT% would be the best measure.  I think it is telling to see the 3PT% of the Nth best 3PT% over various years.
from stats at http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings?doWhat=archive&sportCode=WBB
2002:  1st:  70/145 48.3% ; 10th  58/133  43.6% ;  25th  64/158  40.5%  ;  50th  67/175  38.3% ; 100th 60/183  32.8%
2006:  1st:  69/137 50.4% ; 10th  69/156  44.2% ;  25th  46/111  41.4%  ;  50th  62/160  38.8% ; 100th 68/200  34.0%
2010:  1st:  92/182 50.5% ; 10th  85/191  44.5% ;  25th* 66/160  41.3%  ;  50th  70/179  39.1% ; 100th 73/215  34.0%
2011:  1st:  78/157 49.7% ; 10th  58/134  43.3% ;  25th  64/158  40.5%  ;  50th  98/256  38.3% ; 100th 75/214  35.0%

2012:  1st:  96/217 44.2% ; 10th  58/143  40.6% ;  25th  77/203  37.9%  ;  50th  63/174  36.2% ; 100th 80/257  31.1%
2013:  1st: 118/240 49.2% ; 10th  70/167  41.9% ;  25th  74/190  38.9%  ;  50th  65/177  36.7% ; 100th 85/262  32.4%

The thing that surprised me is that 3PT% didn't show much movement from 2002 to 2011, but maybe 2010-2011 was a relatively weak year.
After the change, you expect a drop off.  And you expect the numbers to improve over the next 3-4 years as the then-current players have more years of practice with the new distance.

Btw, the only Stanford players to show up in the rankings in the years above was Jeanette in 2011, as #19 at 41.7%, and Krista (#12, 43.8%) and Candice (#14, 43.3%) in 2006.

(04-01-2013, 01:15 AM)81alum link Wrote:Lindsey and Nicole were both prolific three point shooters, at 38% and 42%, respectively.  In that game, though, Lindsey was 0/3 and Nicole 2/7 from three.
Stanford played 35 games.  A player needed two 3PTers per game to get into the NCAA stats.  Lindsey had 62; Nicole had 68.

Here are the best FG% for 2002 - 2013 per year.  It seems odd that the numbers dropped in the last two years.  I doubt it was the movement of the 3pt line.  Officiating?
66.1, 66.2, 65.7, 67.1, 67.0, 70.7, 64.7, 67.8, 66.4, 71.4, 62.3, 60.7