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Games on YouTube - janry - 09-30-2013

There are quite a few old Stanford games on YouTube.  I put together a list of games I found and built an on line directory to them.  Feel free to use this if you enjoy old games.

http://hightidevideo.blogspot.com/2013/09/stanford-cardinal-fooball-games-on.html


Re: Games on YouTube - Extra Point - 09-30-2013

Thank you so much janry. I will definately make use of your list!

Re: Games on YouTube - JeffInCorvallis - 09-30-2013

Two of my daughters and I appear briefly after the first Stanford touchdown during the 2013 Rose Bowl game telecast.  :)

How is it that these games are not taken down for copyright violations?  I can't post a video with a copyrighted pop song in the audio track but people can post an entire football game broadcast?


Re: Games on YouTube - PrinceLightfoot - 09-30-2013

Awesome!!! Thank you so much!  :-*

Re: Games on YouTube - 81alum - 09-30-2013

What a wonderful idea!  I had tracked down and watched a couple of those, but many of them I have never seen.  Watching a 1937 game is such a thrill!

Re: Games on YouTube - fullmetal - 09-30-2013

The copyright holders have whole databases of song profiles--I guess the audio from a football game has yet to make it into that database to be profiled...but I was wondering the same thing!

Re: Games on YouTube - PrinceLightfoot - 10-01-2013

I found this disclaimer in one of the video descriptions. Any lawyers around to offer an opinion? From a scouting and reviewing-of-performance aspect, these videos are very educational.

"This is a broadcast, telecast, and production of ESPN. We do not claim ownership of any kind therefore we do not profit from it in any way.

COPYRIGHT DISCLAIMER Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. NON-PROFIT, EDUCATIONAL or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use."

Re: Games on YouTube - washingtonismoney - 10-01-2013

Not a lawyer, but fair use wouldn't seem to apply -- has to be a snippet, used for a transformative purpose, IIRC. This isn't transformative and it sure as heck isn't a snippet.

The difference between this and music on YouTube is vast from a copyright holder's perspective, though. Playing music on YouTube is a substitute for playing music anywhere else. On the other hand, sports is meant to be watched live -- therefore, old games don't substitute for new ones. If anything, it makes you more likely to consume live sports. So I would guess the copyright holders are exercising some salutary neglect here.

(The tip-off, by the way, is that CBS games are quite easy to find. They've been quite aggressive about chasing down copyright.)

Re: Games on YouTube - fullmetal - 10-01-2013

That disclaimer won't amount to much.  Youtube has to comply with copyright holders' wishes.  They're just the platform and cannot be seen as aiding/abetting in infringement.

Re: Games on YouTube - martyup - 10-02-2013

Janry, you have the highest Post Count to Respect Ratio in the history of the CARDboard.

Re: Games on YouTube - Bruce Wang - 10-02-2013

(10-02-2013, 01:25 PM)martyup link Wrote:Janry, you have the highest Post Count to Respect Ratio in the history of the CARDboard.

Sorry newbies, that distinction belongs to Don Bunce's daughter.

Man, I feel like garvin! How awesome is that?!?

Re: Games on YouTube - CowboyIndian - 10-02-2013

(10-02-2013, 01:49 PM)Publius link Wrote:Man, I feel like garvin! How awesome is that?!?

Okay, Garvin, would you like to tell him what a 60-year-old feels like? I would but I can't remember.

Re: Games on YouTube - CowboyIndian - 10-02-2013

I just took my age and subtracted 5, which is the upper limit of what my last math class taught me. Congrats on getting into kindergarten early acceptance.

Re: Games on YouTube - martyup - 10-02-2013

(10-02-2013, 01:49 PM)Publius link Wrote:[quote author=martyup link=topic=8505.msg69795#msg69795 date=1380745548]
Janry, you have the highest Post Count to Respect Ratio in the history of the CARDboard.

Sorry newbies, that distinction belongs to Don Bunce's daughter.

Man, I feel like garvin! How awesome is that?!?
[/quote]

So, give me the rest of the story . . .

Re: Games on YouTube - yvonne - 10-02-2013

http://thecardboard.org/board/index.php/topic,5377.msg61572.html#msg61572

http://thecardboard.org/board/index.php/topic,5377.0.html


Re: Games on YouTube - janry - 10-02-2013

Regarding the questions of these games on YouTube violating copyright laws, I'll offer some of what I know.  I am not a lawyer.  I have no practical work experience in copyright laws.  I have not stayed in a Holiday Inn Express lately.  I am just a guy who likes to watch old football games and I have amassed a sizeable personal collection of old game videos.  What knowledge I have is that of a hobbyist. 

I agree most if not all of the uploads of TV broadcast are violating copyright laws.  Some of linked uploads of non broadcast videos were likely uploaded by the copyright holder or with his permission.  Others claiming to upload under the "Fair Use" likely have a misunderstanding of "Fair Use".

Some copyright owners of broadcast videos are diligent about having YouTube remove their videos.  Others seem to periodically scan for their videos and have them removed.  I think they do it just to show they give some effort to protect their copyrights.  Some probably don't care or actually like their videos uploaded so they don't have to deal with people like me wanting copies of old games.

Look at it this way.  Is there really much of a market for old football game videos?  Try to find more than a handful of games from 3 or  more years ago available on commercial DVDs.  The copyright holders would not have enough buyers to make it profitable to offer such DVDs. 

A few on demand services have obtained licenses to offer videos over the internet for reasonable fees in the past few years.  I've watched a few games this way and the video quality is good and the fee is reasonable.  Still, the percentage of games available is pretty low.

Personally, I have not uploaded a single game to YouTube.  I have never participated in bit torrent exchanges.  I have never sold or given away copies of the recordings I have.  However, to get games I want in my collection, I will try to capture videos on the internet and I will buy DVDs of games from people I'm pretty sure don't have a legitimate basis to sell them.  To some extent, I applaud these sellers as they are preserving history.  I only wish people had been doing this long before now.  Try to find a copy of the broadcast of Superbowl II. 

I'm retired and spend a fair amount of my time with my game collection.  I don't think there are many that share my hobby but one goal of my website is to explore and find others that share my hobby.  If I can develop enough of a following, I plan to start a real blog on this hobby.

Re: Games on YouTube - martyup - 10-02-2013

(10-02-2013, 07:22 PM)Yvonne link Wrote:http://thecardboard.org/board/index.php/topic,5377.msg61572.html#msg61572

http://thecardboard.org/board/index.php/topic,5377.0.html

Thanks.  Good reading.

Re: Games on YouTube - CrazedZooChimp - 10-03-2013

I still dream of being able to watch the entire "What's Your Deal?" game again.  I'm gonna keep crossing my fingers it shows up on your list :)

Re: Games on YouTube - FarmBoy - 10-03-2013

Quote:I still dream of being able to watch the entire "What's Your Deal?" game again.  I'm gonna keep crossing my fingers it shows up on your list :)

Better yet, I wish there were a way to watch the entire "What's Your Deal?" game again, for the first time!

Re: Games on YouTube - fullmetal - 10-04-2013

(10-03-2013, 02:46 PM)FarmBoy link Wrote:
Quote:I still dream of being able to watch the entire "What's Your Deal?" game again.  I'm gonna keep crossing my fingers it shows up on your list :)

Better yet, I wish there were a way to watch the entire "What's Your Deal?" game again, for the first time!

Ping me, both of you.