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Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - bigz - 10-15-2013

2008: Fred Craig

2009: Jemari Roberts

2010: Brett Nottingham

2011: Charlie Hopkins

Re: Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - 82 Card - 10-15-2013

Is there a point here?

Re: Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - GoodGrief - 10-15-2013

not cool.

Considering - Redrum - 10-15-2013

That Fred Craig transferred to Penn after one year.  It's hard to call him a bust.  He was definitely undersized for a LB.  A tweener twixt LB and safety. But he just never felt comfortable at Stanford as a school and chose to go where he did feel comfortable.  Had decent career in the Ivy League.

Charlie Hopkins has had major reconstruction on his leg, twice-- in HS and again at Stanford IIRC.  Hard luck, maybe, but hard to call him a "bust."

Makes me wonder if you ever took statistics and learned about the bell curve.

Re: Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - yvonne - 10-15-2013

(10-15-2013, 07:51 PM)GoodGrief link Wrote:not cool.

Very not cool. These are student athletes.

Re: Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - BobK - 10-15-2013

Plus Hopkins is now the starting TE.    Love the comments.  Just talking to a friend how mean some get on that other board. 

Re: Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - StannyBoy - 10-15-2013

(10-15-2013, 07:30 PM)bigz link Wrote:2008: Fred Craig

2009: Jemari Roberts

2010: Brett Nottingham

2011: Charlie Hopkins

Nottingham never even played and got injured in his first game at Columbia. And Hopkins is now finally starting to play after missing his first 2 years. And there will always be busts just like 2 star players make it to the NFL, eg. Doug Baldwin, Griff Whalen, etc.



Re: Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - Red State - 10-16-2013

I'm pretty sure one of the recruiting hostesses from the '09 class was at least a 36D.

Re: Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - Cardinal96 - 10-16-2013

Quote:Yesterday at 07:30:51 pm - Hidden

I feel like I am late to the party.  What did I miss?

Turn thie question on its head - Treebound - 10-16-2013

I agree that this is a mean topic.

What I would be more interested in is the upside on our recruiting.  Billy Beane has done a fantastic job over the years in finding talent and outsmarting the competition knowing that he can't outspend them.    He's was going to be a Stanford man (for football and baseball no less), can we learn from his approach and make him a recruiting adviser?

What are the recruiting misses and how do we minimize them?  Can we use more of a cybermetrics approach to figure out the Griff Whalen "two-stars?"  I'm sure some of this is already going on, but how do you try to systematize our approach to recruiting given the small pool that we can draw from?    Who are the two stars that we pass on that turn into a Griff Whalen caliber player?

Re: Turn thie question on its head - gocard14 - 10-16-2013

(10-16-2013, 07:58 AM)Treebound link Wrote:I agree that this is a mean topic.

What I would be more interested in is the upside on our recruiting.  Billy Beane has done a fantastic job over the years in finding talent and outsmarting the competition knowing that he can't outspend them.    He's was going to be a Stanford man (for football and baseball no less), can we learn from his approach and make him a recruiting adviser?

What are the recruiting misses and how do we minimize them?  Can we use more of a cybermetrics approach to figure out the Griff Whalen "two-stars?"  I'm sure some of this is already going on, but how do you try to systematize our approach to recruiting given the small pool that we can draw from?    Who are the two stars that we pass on that turn into a Griff Whalen caliber player?

Unfortunately, statistics only really apply with a sufficiently large sample size and against somewhat equal competition. 

Baseball is somewhat unique among team sports in that plays are made by individuals rather then teams.  A individual players batting average is a product of his skill and the pitchers he faces.  A wide receivers reception and yards total is a product of himself, his QB, his offensive system, his O-line (will the QB get enough time to throw?), and the DBs he faces. Furthermore, with only 10-12 games a year a lot is subject to natural variation.  I'm not saying that statistics don't matter at all, but unfortunately in football the old paradigms of watching film and projecting potential, alongside measurables like size, speed, strength, etc. are really the best options we have.

Re: Biggest CARDboard Busts - Bruce Wang - 10-16-2013

My nominations:

1. MuscleYoot
2. bigz
3. The Alabama Guy

Who am I missing?

Re: Biggest CARDboard Busts - 76lsjumb - 10-16-2013

(10-16-2013, 09:49 AM)Publius link Wrote:My nominations:

1. MuscleYoot
2. bigz
3. The Alabama Guy

Who am I missing?

IIRC, there were one or two Oklahoma State folks that had the down arrow smoking a couple of years ago...

Re: Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - washingtonismoney - 10-16-2013

The best was Braveheart, the SC fan.

Re: Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - yvonne - 10-16-2013

No, the Baylor fan who posted missives about Robert Griffin III.

Re: Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - Kathy - 10-17-2013

weenies88, who kept posting giant photos of the logo on his alma mater's stadium field

Re: Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - Nan3cy - 10-17-2013

Gratitude is very important. So let us remember Blueblood, whose absence is always a source of gratitude for me...  :)

Re: Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - dabigv13 - 10-17-2013

A second for Cal88...that guy was a douche. Luckily we had Terry to fight his douchiness with statistics and facts.

Re: Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - Bruce Wang - 10-17-2013

(10-17-2013, 03:29 PM)dabigv link Wrote:A second for Cal88...that guy was a douche. Luckily we had Terry to fight his douchiness with statistics and facts.

Getting in an argument with Terry?  Sounds like Cal88 brought a knife to a gun fight.  I've never seen him, so I guess he has the sense not to come back.  These trolls really shouldn't bring their .22 caliber minds to this .357 magnum board.

Re: Biggest Recruiting Busts Per Recent Class - Extra Point - 10-17-2013

I have not seen anything here that approaches the norm on most boards. I think people here should be very grateful.