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At one time, some people wanted Leach as Stanford coach - Redrum - 12-22-2013
http://washingtonstate.scout.com/2/1359301.html
Quote:Q: was there anything you would rather have done at the end in terms of milking a little more clock, (such as) waiting to snap the ball a little longer on the (Jeremiah) Laufasa run?I loved this. "Stanford has thrived all year by pretty good time management at the end of games. Not perfect, but pretty good. And Leach's petulant tone "Oh, so vaccinations reduce childhood rubella deaths. Fine, go vaccinate. It just proves you're kid is weak."
Mike Leach, : We shouldn't have worried about - we shouldn't have messed with any of that. I mean, fine, use the clock, we should have attacked them and got first downs. And then we should have protected the football.
And meanwhile, at the other end of the locker room, Leach's QB
Quote:Connor Halliday:Â "Weve only got ourselves to blame for why we lost that game. Colorado State played real hard, but at the end of the day, weve got to be able to run the clock out as an offense."Â Â Guess we'll know who will be standing in a darkened equipment shed when school starts up again in January.
Q: How did you manage to lose in such devastating fashion?
Leach: Colorado State finished the game. We didnt (and) I think there was a sense of relaxation there in the fourth quarter we paid a heavy price for. Â
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Re: At one time, some people wanted Leach as Stanford coach - ChicagoCard - 12-22-2013
Leach has been outspoken on the point that he doesn't believe in folding things up with a big lead late in games. Just earlier this year the Idaho head coach and Leach had words at mid-field after their game, apparently because Leach put his first string back in on defense to preserve a shutout. He probably wishes he'd kept the ball in the air rather than hand off to a running back. I wouldn't be surprised if the notion of running out the clock to secure victory is something he sees as cowardly.
Well, it ain't just football offensive philosophy - Redrum - 12-22-2013
Quote:"Q: When things went wrong for the Cougars this season, it often happened very quickly and dramatically. How can that be fixed?
Leach: Next question."
For all the grief we give Shaw for his non-answer answers and terminal blandness, he doesn't treat people with contempt. Imagine if Leach had brought his interview/interpersonal demeanor to Palo Alto.Â
I think what puts Leach apart from many coaches is he puts a premium on winning his way above winning, period. That kind of gunslinger /code-of-the-West shtick played down in Lubbock until he made the cost of doing it "his way" too high for TT. And, he had started working himself into that corner with the university before the shed incident ever occurred. Funny. I bet he preaches endlessly about TEAM, TEAM, TEAM to his players...but is such an obstinate loner in his own practice of the art.
Re: Well, it ain't just football offensive philosophy - Mick - 12-22-2013
(12-22-2013, 01:15 PM)Redrum link Wrote:Quote:"Q: When things went wrong for the Cougars this season, it often happened very quickly and dramatically. How can that be fixed?Funny. I bet he preaches endlessly about TEAM, TEAM, TEAM to his players...but is such an obstinate loner in his own practice of the art.
Leach: Next question."
Truth be told, I always thought most football coaches were that way, at least the three I had in high school.
Re: At one time, some people wanted Leach as Stanford coach - pincemob - 12-22-2013
Walt Harris, Norm Chow, Mike Leach... weren't those the names out there at the time? I think I would have preferred 2 years of Leach over 2 years of Harris.Â
Leach was hot @ TT and not looking around - Redrum - 12-22-2013
...when Stanford was searching in 2004/2005. And, of course, Ted Leland not only didn't get him, he didn't try. Still, the name Mike Leach was out there among those who wanted Stanford to stretch for something better than Buddy.Â
And, Mick. It's true that many coaches keep pushing the team, team, team while cultivating and buying into their own cult of personality. But only the ones who WIN get to keep indulging themselves and getting away with it. Now Leach is trying to peddle 6-7 record as the moral equivalent of an actual winning season. That works if the WSU team feels like winners and still buys in to the coach. With Leach...who knows? Maybe they do. Maybe Leach will be the scourge of the Pac North in the coming years. Any bets?
Re: At one time, some people wanted Leach as Stanford coach - fullmetal - 12-23-2013
Leach as a loser is much worse than Leach as a winner. But I don't think we go picking coaches primarily based on how nice or civil they are when they lose.
Just win, baby - Redrum - 12-23-2013
I agree. A coach's demeanor is not THE critical metric. You hire coaches to win enough, but not at any cost. At least, most schools follow that dictum. But the assertion with Leach is his quirkiness and personality actually might get in the way of :
a) winning in realtime. Refusing to burn clock to assure victory at the end of a game (because ,as Leach stated afterwards, his preference is for attack, attack, attack) shows he is willing jeopardize victory in favor of football philosophy.Â
b) winning in the long run. This part was more Stanford-centric. My point was that Leach's personality, his quirkiness and pricklyness would most likely not have succeeded at Stanford.. Just a different athletics culture. And, following the grumpy, withdrawn, I'll-do-it-my-way Wlat, was definitely not what Stanford needed. Now, Harbaugh had his share of prickly moments, but somehow managed to stay on the side of that fine line that Leach hasn't yet discovered. On the field, Harbaugh, too, had an offensive philosophy. And, Andrew Luck. But it worked. Leach has been less successful and seems proud because managing the clock to assure victory is for sissies.Â
Re: At one time, some people wanted Leach as Stanford coach - Leftcoast - 12-23-2013
Leach + Stanford = Disaster of near Wlatian proportion
Some things just don't mix.
Re: Just win, baby - Mick - 12-23-2013
(12-23-2013, 08:39 AM)Redrum link Wrote:I agree. A coach's demeanor is not THE critical metric. You hire coaches to win enough, but not at any cost. At least, most schools follow that dictum. But the assertion with Leach is his quirkiness and personality actually might get in the way of :
a) winning in realtime. Refusing to burn clock to assure victory at the end of a game (because ,as Leach stated afterwards, his preference is for attack, attack, attack) shows he is willing jeopardize victory in favor of football philosophy.Â
b) winning in the long run. This part was more Stanford-centric. My point was that Leach's personality, his quirkiness and pricklyness would most likely not have succeeded at Stanford.. Just a different athletics culture. And, following the grumpy, withdrawn, I'll-do-it-my-way Wlat, was definitely not what Stanford needed. Now, Harbaugh had his share of prickly moments, but somehow managed to stay on the side of that fine line that Leach hasn't yet discovered. On the field, Harbaugh, too, had an offensive philosophy. And, Andrew Luck. But it worked. Leach has been less successful and seems proud because managing the clock to assure victory is for sissies.
Leach as Jean Van De Velde....
Re: At one time, some people wanted Leach as Stanford coach - BostonCard - 12-23-2013
(12-22-2013, 08:28 PM)Redrum link Wrote:...when Stanford was searching in 2004/2005. And, of course, Ted Leland not only didn't get him, he didn't try. Still, the name Mike Leach was out there among those who wanted Stanford to stretch for something better than Buddy.ÂConsidering that most predictions for WSU thought a bowl game was a stretch (and that WSU would be fighting with Cal for the bottom of the P12N), getting WSU to a bowl game is a victory for them, just like Harbaugh getting us to 4-8 his first year was a brobdingnagian victory for Stanford. I don't know whether Leech will succeed long term at WSU, and obviously what he did against CSU was boneheaded beyond belief. But you talk about short term versus long-term benefits. Yeah, winning in the short term is the best path to a long-term success. But, in the absence of winning, it seems like Leech's schtick, if players buy into it, might be a pathway to success. Time will tell.
And, Mick. It's true that many coaches keep pushing the team, team, team while cultivating and buying into their own cult of personality. But only the ones who WIN get to keep indulging themselves and getting away with it. Now Leach is trying to peddle 6-7 record as the moral equivalent of an actual winning season. That works if the WSU team feels like winners and still buys in to the coach. With Leach...who knows? Maybe they do. Maybe Leach will be the scourge of the Pac North in the coming years. Any bets?
BC
Re: At one time, some people wanted Leach as Stanford coach - fullmetal - 12-24-2013
I think Leach's system absolutely works...for a football team's offense. I'm unsure of any special defensive philosophy the Pirate Coach espouses. But the man knows how to score points if he can get a team of players to fill the roles he has envisioned for them.Â
Re: At one time, some people wanted Leach as Stanford coach - Farm93 - 12-24-2013
(12-24-2013, 03:38 AM)fullmetal link Wrote:I think Leach's system absolutely works...for a football team's offense. I'm unsure of any special defensive philosophy the Pirate Coach espouses. But the man knows how to score points if he can get a team of players to fill the roles he has envisioned for them.You do know that this statement is not really true. Leach's system allows a team to score points in bunches when the other team is inferior, but suffers when the other team actually can tackle or is in the top 20. Leach has PLENTY of losses where his high powered offense failed to score 25 points. In most of those games his teams were playing the better teams in the conference either in the Big12 or Pac-12. In 5 of the Wazzu's team losses this year Wazzu did not get to 25 points. And there is a similar trend that you can also see in Leach's 10 year history at Texas Tech.
Leach can, and has, run up the score against inferior teams, but teams with real talent or speed on defense have historically been able to keep Leach's O out of the endzone.
Re: At one time, some people wanted Leach as Stanford coach - fullmetal - 12-24-2013
If you're equating "works" with "is infallible," sure, then you're right. But it's a false equality. When I say that it works, I merely mean that given the right athletes, Leach's offenses have shown success, even against good teams (though he's lost to good teams too). At WSU, Leach definitely does not have enough talent to make his system (or arguably any system) work...
Re: At one time, some people wanted Leach as Stanford coach - Bruce Wang - 12-24-2013
(12-23-2013, 01:08 AM)fullmetal link Wrote:But I don't think we go picking coaches primarily based on how nice or civil they are when they lose.
Wasn't that the reason Ted hired his Buddy?
Re: At one time, some people wanted Leach as Stanford coach - fullmetal - 12-24-2013
(12-24-2013, 10:57 AM)Publius link Wrote:[quote author=fullmetal link=topic=9227.msg79348#msg79348 date=1387786127]
But I don't think we go picking coaches primarily based on how nice or civil they are when they lose.
Wasn't that the reason Ted hired his Buddy?
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Sauce for the goose. How well did that turn out? :p