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Bootleg Version of best songs thread - Hulk01 - 01-16-2014

The music thread is another example of what makes this board so appealing to me.  In contrast, this is how that thread would have gone on the Bootleg:

H:  Two-page post on favorite songs of 2013.

A:  WTF does this have to do with football?

B:  No kidding.

C:  The music was better when Harbaugh was here.

D:  I’m ok with the idea but Hulk’s choices are ridiculous.

E: Yeah, Hulk always thinks everything’s great.  I half expected him to post that the Beatles are reuniting.

F  Yeah--all four of them.

A:  WTF does this have to do with football?

L:  None of this stuff is good.  And it’s only going to get worse, people.  (Nineteen paragraphs follow to explain why each of the 22 choices is bad.)

T:  I worry too.  I think 2014 is a trap year for music.

L:  None of Hulk’s songs would be hits in places like London or Paris.

Hulk:  Well hang on there.  Most of these are hits in London and Paris.  You can look it up.

T:  Never mind lists like those.  What do your ears tell you?

L:  These calls are as bad as Shaw’s.

B, C. and D:  Roger that.

C:  Shaw still likes the same stuff he listened to in 1988.  He hasn’t changed.

E:  Yeah, he’d say Cheap Trick and George Michael.  And he’d say it really smugly.

A:  Hell Cheap Trick and Michael.  He’d say Pat Boone and Perry Como!

C:  Yeah.  Really smugly.

Boston Card:  Actually I really like Song for Zulu and Timber.  I like a lot of this stuff.
 
A:  WTF does that have to do with football?





Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - Bruce Wang - 01-16-2014

Why isn't some of this in ALL CAPS?

This is such a sane, well-informed, and witty group that I'm interested in your collective opinions outside of sports, the Civil War, hot nuns, and now music.  I have an idea for an OT thread, but I'm saving it for after NSD to keep the conversation going.

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - Hulk01 - 01-16-2014

I am working up a movie thread.  So far Mud and Matthew M, In A Room, Wolf of Wall Street, Gravity.  Had a short take on Jessica Lawrence but cannot find it.  Some long, some bite-sized.  I lost it at the movies.

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - Robbie - 01-16-2014

(01-16-2014, 09:26 AM)Publius link Wrote:...I'm interested in your collective opinions outside of sports, the Civil War, hot nuns...

When was the "hot nuns" thread? I'm clearly not paying close enough attention.

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - Bruce Wang - 01-16-2014

(01-16-2014, 09:50 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:I am working up a movie thread.  So far Mud and Matthew M, In A Room, Wolf of Wall Street, Gravity.  Had a short take on Jessica Lawrence but cannot find it.  Some long, some bite-sized.  I lost it at the movies.

Thinking along the same lines - except obscure, unknown, underappreciated, etc. ie can not have finished in the Top 10 in the box office in any week, or been nominated for an Oscar or Golden Globe in a major category.

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - Bruce Wang - 01-16-2014

(01-16-2014, 09:50 AM)Robbie link Wrote:When was the "hot nuns" thread? I'm clearly not paying close enough attention.

http://thecardboard.org/board/index.php/topic,8273.0.html

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - stupac2 - 01-16-2014

(01-16-2014, 09:50 AM)Robbie link Wrote:When was the "hot nuns" thread? I'm clearly not paying close enough attention.

I think it was a thread about Notre Dame that morphed into a thread about hot nuns. It was inevitable really, as hot nuns are basically the only thing related to ND worth talking about.

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - BostonCard - 01-16-2014

I appreciate the reference, but Hulk, I haven't posted on the Bootboard plus since Dec. 2012, when I allowed my subscription to lapse.  I still post on the CEB, but it is dying and the discussion is different.  And I make a rare appearance on the freeboard and the thunder dome, but those are token appearances.

I assume L refers to an actual poster, while A-F are a composite of posters, right?  Who would T be?

I would have had a post by Terry2 with a very logical, detailed posting supported by a massive quantity of evidence showing that songs in 2013 are as good as they have ever been, and that we are enjoying  true renaissance in music, only to be followed by the current "T" poster asking, "What do your ears tell you?"

BC

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - yvonne - 01-16-2014

Gosh, L's still at it, eh?

:D

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - BostonCard - 01-16-2014

He had mellowed out a lot when I left about a year ago, at least compared to his lengthy missives from the Willingham era.  In fact, many of his posts were downright positive.  But that may have changed recently.

BC

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - CompSci87 - 01-16-2014

"L" is the one poster on the Bootie premium board that I have on ignore.

Unfortunately there is plenty of other arrogant negativity bouncing around in the echo chamber there.

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - BostonCard - 01-16-2014

Actually, Longwinded never bothered me all that much.  I think the three attributes about LW that could grate on people were that 1) he turned backhanded compliments into an art form, and 2) he was a skillful writer, and 3) he was a successful lawyer who actually enjoyed the debate.  I tried not to get into it with him; as they say, never mud wrestle with a pig; you just get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

BC

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - kuz - 01-16-2014

(01-16-2014, 06:15 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Actually, Longwinded never bothered me all that much.  I think the three attributes about LW that could grate on people were that 1) he turned backhanded compliments into an art form, and 2) he was a skillful writer, and 3) he was a successful lawyer who actually enjoyed the debate.  I tried not to get into it with him; as they say, never mud wrestle with a pig; you just get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

BC
I can understand why people get worked up by what Longwinded writes, but often times he's not too far off the mark. I often find that I agree with a lot of his posts after a win, but disagree after a loss. Make of that what you will.

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - Hulk01 - 01-17-2014

Sure, L is Longwinded.  We battled a lot but I never was even tempted to block his posts.  I left the Bootleg when my subscription lapsed because there were threads on which two-thirds of the posts were guys I had blocked.  It didn't feel healthy to expose myself to the thinking, and thinking is too high a praise for too many of the posts there.

LW shared the opinions of many of the blocked guys.  But LW actually offered evidence.  There was ample proof that he was watching the games and knew some of things to look for. 

T is Teejers.  I kept reading him but after several years I could have written the posts for him.  Teejers likely will die of worry; he never lacks for lack of confidence. 

Everyone else was random.  There is a cadre there who rant about Shaw's smugness but I cannot name any of the members, although LW may belong to that one, too.

The Bootboard is infected with the idea that the problem is always the coaching.  The exception is Longwinded, who believes that the problem is everything.  I tend to look more at the players, particularly the defenders (notably, over the years, Bo McNally and Ed Reynolds).  In that vein quickly, I campaigned from the beginning to put Lyons at safety, saying that he would be a Duck killer there.  He in great north-south but struggles east-west; he is not a hip flipper. But he could be a first three round draft choice at safety after next fall.  The two scouts I know think he's in a class with Reynolds and Richards, but they have Carter in a class almost alone.

I was tempted to do a Terry thread but feared that it would be viewed as a jab.  Terry brings the data as well as anyone, as most of you know.  I also have great respect for Steve Durrett, who would have gained admittance to Stanford even if they got down to 1% yields.  That man's brain hums.

But most of all, the board is bad-mannered.  You just want to bitch slap some guys over there.  Not for me. 

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - Bruce Wang - 01-17-2014

Under the assumption that the last remaining sane Bootboarders have followed the Moses-like Hulk to the Promised Land that is the CARDBoard, I'd like give a shout out to the cool guy that I sat next to on the flight from NYC to last year's Rose Bowl.  I'm sorry that I can't remember your name, but I do remember you trying to convince me to join the Bootboard because of all the insight and inside info.  Seems evident that Hulk generated 90% of that so I assume you are here now.  Welcome!

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - yvonne - 01-17-2014

(01-17-2014, 09:14 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:T is Teejers.  I kept reading him but after several years I could have written the posts for him.  Teejers likely will die of worry; he never lacks for lack of confidence. 

I guess he got burned by brobdingnagian.

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - Hulk01 - 01-17-2014

Matt Squeri was good on recruiting before he allowed work and women to destroy his DC life.  When he got more involved, I let him run with it.  He understands the game pretty well although he whiffed on the 2012 class. The killer call that year came from Tom Feldstein, aka tmf.  He called the call man-for-man--Garnett, Murphy, Peat, Shittu, Rector, misses on Bam Bradley and Jameis Winson an epic call in Stanford history.  TMF still has inside info.  Dave Fleming was a treasure trove before he left for fame. 

Longwinded had good insights on recruiting, too, and influenced what became the HOTS (the Hulk Offer Theory Score).  This create a much too precise number for scoring a player's offers.  The weakness is that some kids over-report and some offers are not committable.  But the tool proved to have predictive value: On the 2011 team, you could predict 21 of the 22 starters based on the HOTS, and it suggested that Terrence Brown could become a player and that Jemari Roberts was really a maybe.

The likely HOTs score for this 2014 class probably will exceed the 2012 class, btw.  And I think there is more upside here,  How many classes have had the possible upside of Alfieri, Okereke, Thomas, Alexander, Perez, Marx,Chryst, Schultz, and McCaffrey?  Maybe Walsh's first class of his second term, but probably not. And no group has come within 400 hugs of this one for early bonding. 

I say watch out. This could be one wild ride.




Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - Hulk01 - 01-19-2014

Actually, the history of recruiting coverage may have started with LW, whose big contribution was to focus on offer lists.  This led me to create the Hulk Offer Theory Score, aptly abbreviated as HOTs:  What guys are hot?  Offers are imperfect indicators--some kids misreport and some offers cannot be committed to--but they are useful in combination with Scout rankings (slightly better than Rivals), Rivals scores, The Opening offers, quality of program and state competition (Texas kids are usually ready to go as freshman), and film and film evaluations (Garry Cobb chimes in on Scout and is good.  Irishguru is very good on LOS guys.)

LW begat Chad.  Chad was a non-grad but a devoted Stanford fans  He had a friend in a high place, coach Dave Tipton, so the Bootleg was wired.  I had years of professional experience assessing prospects' comments and objections and created some links to kids through my business connections all over the country, including a rich vein in the Atlanta area, where slide is on the ground and active.  So he and I started teaming.

Then Dave left.  That left Chad unwired but Bootleg was good at sending reporters out to get clues.  Rivals same deal, and now Andy D at Rivals is the king.  He asks the right questions and has learned to read the clues and cues, even in the prospects' tone.  The Bootleg tried to do it but a lot of recruits wouldn't take their calls.  It wasn't coincidence; the 'leg screwed itself. 

Msqueri came along and obsessed on the subject and I let him go.  He had some skills for the task but reading the prospect's likely decision wasn't one of them.  The ace was tmf, Tom Feldstein, who had both connections and instincts and aced the call on the 2012 class.  He called all final seven guys while msqueri insisted that calling as many as six was ridiculous.  Msqueriu then allowed himself to be diverted by work and a woman, however, so i tried to step back in for this 2014 class.  I probably will cut way back in 2015 except for a handful of key prospects. 

I got to know JH just a little and finally got behind the door, partly because a couple Stanford coaches became certain I already had a mole inside (I didn't.)  At the same time, other Cardboarders and bootleggers had connections and sent me tips and then returned to hiding.  Dave Fleming sent along lots of hot tips but he's increasingly famous and busy with things non-Stanford.

In the end, however, calling the final class always will be difficult because we never will know what admissions will do.  Even they don't know what they will do until they have done it.  I am more confident in assessing a class's potential impact and think this class will contribute more than the 2012 class, and the upside is very high. 

Re: Bootleg Version of best songs thread - yvonne - 01-19-2014

The history of recruiting coverage started with Chad.

Longwinded. Semi-relevant anecdote from the Pleistocene - Redrum - 01-19-2014

Standing with a bunch of Bootleg people near the south end of the Rose Bowl vs . Wisconsin I.  I asked one of the more connected  Bay Area based if he'd ever met or seen Longwinded.  Why, yes, he had.  Had been at that very tailgaiter.  And pointing across a few rows of parked cars he pointed to a guy making his way back from the portapotties,  he said  "That's him".  So I set out on an intercept course and sticking out my hand to introduce myself, addressed him as I got close.  "Excuse me, you're the person who posts under the name Longwinded on the Bootleg, aren't you?"    You'da thunk he figured me for a mugger.  His eyes started darting around and he really never broke stride. "Uh....yes."  He picked up his walking pace and began zig-zagging through the rows of parked cars.  Never came back to the tailgater.    Of course, the Bootleg was more of a wild west frontier town thingee back then, so maybe he had reasons to run I didn't know about.

I still subscribe to the Premium Bootleg. Have since it's inception (likewise the Cardboard)  You can get information there that wasn't available elsewhere.  But after a lot of post-2007 mellowing, of late the board angst and vibe  resembles 2006 or  pre-Rose Bowl Willingham days more and more.