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Re: More Jameis Winston - Hulk01 - 04-16-2014

Well done and damning. 


Agreed... - Mick - 04-16-2014

...one wonders what his civil exposure must be.

Re: More Jameis Winston - stupac2 - 04-16-2014

This story makes me so angry. I can't help but feel like if more men were raped than women this would never happen. Our culture is pathetic.

Re: More Jameis Winston - Bruce Wang - 04-16-2014

Did you guys see the chart in the article showing UCBerkeley at the top for reported sexual assaults?  83 between 2010 and 2012.  Florida State had 14.  I think that must be a function of their women being more willing to step up and report.

Re: More Jameis Winston - stupac2 - 04-16-2014

(04-16-2014, 11:59 AM)Publius link Wrote:I think that must be a function of their women being more willing to step up and report.

I wouldn't be too surprised if there were actually fewer sexual assaults at Berkeley than FSU, but it's close to impossible to know. You'd have to think that they take it more seriously than FSU apparently does.

Re: More Jameis Winston - Mick - 04-16-2014

That study was limited to four year public institutions with between 30,000 and 60,000 enrollees.  I may be reading this incorrectly, but it looks like Stanford had 59 reported forcible sexual offenses in 2010, 2011 and 2012.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/SUDPS/safety-report/Stanford_CrimeStats_2013.pdf

Re: More Jameis Winston - BostonCard - 04-16-2014

(04-16-2014, 12:28 PM)Mick link Wrote:That study was limited to four year public institutions with between 30,000 and 60,000 enrollees.  I may be reading this incorrectly, but it looks like Stanford had 59 reported forcible sexual offenses in 2010, 2011 and 2012.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/SUDPS/safety-report/Stanford_CrimeStats_2013.pdf

Fixed it.

Re: More Jameis Winston - Mick - 04-16-2014

(04-16-2014, 01:06 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=9845.msg87924#msg87924 date=1397676512]
That study was limited to four year public institutions with between 30,000 and 60,000 enrollees.  I may be reading this incorrectly, but it looks like Stanford had 59 reported forcible sexual offenses in 2010, 2011 and 2012.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/SUDPS/safety-report/Stanford_CrimeStats_2013.pdf

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Thanks

Re: More Jameis Winston - 82lsju - 04-16-2014

(04-16-2014, 12:25 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:I wouldn't be too surprised if there were actually fewer sexual assaults at Berkeley than FSU, but it's close to impossible to know. You'd have to think that they take it more seriously than FSU apparently does.

maybe, maybe not

http://articles.latimes.com/2014/feb/26/local/la-me-berkeley-assaults-20140227

Thirty-one current and former UC Berkeley students filed two federal complaints against the university Wednesday alleging a decades-long pattern of mishandling sexual assault investigations by campus administrators.

The complaints allege that officials for years have discouraged victims from reporting assaults, failed to inform them of their rights and led a biased judicial process that favored assailants' rights over those of their victims.

Re: More Jameis Winston - stupac2 - 04-16-2014

Jeebus. Well, I hope that at least Stanford is good about this. They put a lot of emphasis on awareness when I was there, but I never had any experience with it or knew anyone who did.

Re: More Jameis Winston - 82lsju - 04-16-2014

(04-16-2014, 01:41 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:Jeebus. Well, I hope that at least Stanford is good about this. They put a lot of emphasis on awareness when I was there, but I never had any experience with it or knew anyone who did.

this article compares the processes at Stanford and C.a.l

http://www.mercurynews.com/education/ci_24993247/rape-at-colleges-victims-challenge-policies-favoring-attackers

Re: More Jameis Winston - theashwineffect - 04-16-2014

If any or all of this is true, I hope that the Federal government brings down the hammer on FSU with Title IX. Absolutely disgusting to see how all of this was handled.

FSU lives and dies on its football program. So let's see it die, if only to set an example that the well being of our friends and family members (regardless of gender) is more important than a game played fourteen Saturdays a year.

NerdScholar stats - Mick - 04-16-2014

The www.nerdscholar.com web site includes crime statistics.  It lists Florida State with nine forced sexual assaullts.  According to the site, Dartmouth, Princeton and Yale are #1, #2 and #3 in terms of most sexual assaults per capita.  Cal comes in at #23, Stanford comes in at #25.

Re: More Jameis Winston - Leftcoast - 04-16-2014

That's more than a little shocking. 

I'm not sure what to make of Stanford's stats and ranking but it ain't good to be on that list.

Re: More Jameis Winston - stupac2 - 04-16-2014

(04-16-2014, 05:43 PM)Leftcoast link Wrote:That's more than a little shocking. 

I'm not sure what to make of Stanford's stats and ranking but it ain't good to be on that list.

It's not that shocking. There's only so much a university can do to screen out the assholes who do these things, so the sad fact is that some will get in. So everyone will be on the list. Where you fall on these rankings depends on two things:

1) How many sexual assaults happen.
2) How many are reported.

My guess is that #1 doesn't vary all that much, maybe an order of magnitude depending on lots of factors, but it should be fairly stable. But #2 is going to vary a ton, you can easily imagine reporting rates ranging from basically none to a fairly high fraction (though sexual assault is so underreported hitting 50% would be brobdingnagian). My guess is that Stanford is high on that list mostly because of #2, and the places that are really low are the ones that should be the most suspect of having institutional problems.

Also, as I said before, Stanford (at least from 2005-2009) was extremely aggressive about telling students the basics of how to avoid sexual assault (from both directions), I can't begin to count how many times I was told "someone who's drunk can't consent" among other things. If the changes in the way sexual assault cases are handled happened in 2010, it's possible that this has gotten even better.

Re: More Jameis Winston - 82lsju - 04-16-2014

looking at the table there are some interesting other schools

UCLA - #457 with only 1 reported sexual offense.

I would not expect UCLA to be that different from C.a.l

sorting by number of offenses puts Stanford at #17 (C.a.l is #1).

47 of the 460 colleges have 1 reported offense

see the data here

http://www.nerdwallet.com/nerdscholar/compareschools/safety/crime/sexual-offenses

Re: More Jameis Winston - PrinceLightfoot - 04-16-2014

(04-16-2014, 05:43 PM)Leftcoast link Wrote:That's more than a little shocking. 

I'm not sure what to make of Stanford's stats and ranking but it ain't good to be on that list.

The majority of FSU students live off campus, so reports of sexual assault would most likely be taken care of by local police; FSU does not need to report those incidents in their crime stats. Stanford, Cal, and the Ivies are the exact opposite with most of their students residing on campus.

FSU responded to the NY Article - http://fsunytimes.fsu.edu/

I do no think this helps the university but if there was a cover-up, they probably do not care how this response is perceived. They won the CFB NCG and that is all that matters...


Re: More Jameis Winston - fullmetal - 04-17-2014

(04-16-2014, 06:24 PM)82lsju link Wrote:looking at the table there are some interesting other schools

UCLA - #457 with only 1 reported sexual offense.

I would not expect UCLA to be that different from C.a.l

sorting by number of offenses puts Stanford at #17 (C.a.l is #1).

47 of the 460 colleges have 1 reported offense

see the data here

http://www.nerdwallet.com/nerdscholar/compareschools/safety/crime/sexual-offenses

By sheer stochastics alone, I would not expect UCLA to really only have one offense :(  Either victims are not reporting assaults (off-campus?), or the school is obfuscating the reporting...

Agreed, this is a shameful list on which to be...but I still hope that any and every victim of assault at Stanford comes forward for justice, even if it means increasing "the count."

Re: More Jameis Winston - fullmetal - 04-25-2014

Students file a Title IX suit against Columbia University regarding the university's sexual assault allegation handling policies.

http://time.com/76762/students-file-title-ix-sexual-assault-complaint-against-columbia-university/

the really important numbers - yvonne - 04-26-2014

As fullmetal said, how a university handles rape is much more important than how many rapes a school reports. That's a harder statistic to measure, but if a school heaps shame on top of the horror of sexual assault, it's so much less likely to to be reported. Without that crucial context, it's hard to compare the UC Berkeley vs. UCLA rates.

http://www.alternet.org/education/choosing-college-look-how-they-handle-rape