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Today in great NCAA rules interpretations - washingtonismoney - 05-13-2014

Would've loved to see how this conversation went down: http://deadspin.com/sooners-girlfriend-had-to-sign-affidavit-confirming-the-1575641837?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

IKARD: "Hey, honey. You know how you said you'd do anything for me?"
IKARD'S GIRLFRIEND: "Of course."
IKARD: "Could you...sign this affivadit? WAIT. WAIT. I can explain this!"

Re: Today in great NCAA rules interpretations - terry - 05-13-2014

Yeah, it's ludicrous. But every time you see the NCAA rules leading to an absurd result like this, it's probably because somebody tried to cheat by doing something along these lines. I'll bet some overzealous booster really did pay football players by using a fake girlfriend to provide pro sports tickets (and other benefits). The NCAA has to try to plug all the loopholes -- and cheaters are endlessly creative, so there are lots of loopholes to plug. The NCAA is stuck trying to police every possible method of cheating, including some really crazy ones. . . .

Re: Today in great NCAA rules interpretations - CTcard - 05-13-2014

(05-13-2014, 04:54 PM)terry link Wrote:Yeah, it's ludicrous. But every time you see the NCAA rules leading to an absurd result like this, it's probably because somebody tried to cheat by doing something along these lines. 

In addition, note this is Oklahoma. They appear to either have an overzealous compliance office or feel they are taking a stand by self-reporting trivial and questionable violations. This was the source of pasta-gate as well. If I remember correctly, at the time the NCAA said that what Oklahoma reported was not an NCAA violation. Though I admit I cannot find that statement by the NCAA right now, so perhaps I misremember.

I actually think Terry pointed out that statement by the NCAA, so perhaps he remembers.

Re: Today in great NCAA rules interpretations - doublespiral - 05-13-2014

Yeah, the OU compliance office has been overzealous after their 5-star freshman quarterback, Rhett Bomar, and at least one other player were busted for receiving improper benefits - collecting a paycheck for a job they rarely showed up for at Big Red Sports and Imports (a car dealership).

Ever since then, the Sooner compliance officers will pick any nit, tracking players' Twitter accounts and probably FB, Instagram, and other social media as well.

Many complain that it's over the top, but universities know that there's a lot of potential lost revenue at stake if their 18-22 year-old student-ahem-athletes make a misstep.  And what could be construed as "improper benefits" can get pretty petty at times.

Re: Today in great NCAA rules interpretations - CornFed - 05-13-2014

I think I recall an instance of Stanford athletics having been named for allowing "improper benefits" (or something of that sort).  Wasn't there some kind of controversy involving Tiger Woods when he was at Stanford?  I think he and Tom Watson played at Silverado and Watson paid for lunch (!).  Nothing materialized, or maybe I have a creative memory.  But I seem to recall  that the NCAA got involved briefly.

Re: Today in great NCAA rules interpretations - BostonCard - 05-13-2014

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/If-Tiger-bolts-from-Stanford-blame-NCAA-3124623.php

Quote:Two weeks ago, the Cardinal sophomore and two-time U.S. Amateur champ drove to Napa to have dinner with Arnold Palmer during the Transamerica Senior Golf Championship at Silverado Country Club. Woods, 19, has been friends with The King for five years.

"The kid was trying to learn knowledge from the legend," Tiger's mother, Kultida, said from the family home in Cypress, Orange County. "Pick his brain."

Understandable. Who better to discuss the game with than Palmer, the most charismatic golfer of all time. Tiger arranged the meeting, and one of the prime topics of conversation was how to deal with fans.

There was only one problem: Arnie picked up the check. Like he was going to stick a poor college kid with the tab! Palmer's generosity, though well-meaning, was deemed a rules violation by the NCAA, which prohibits athletes from receiving benefits because of their status or reputation.

BC

Re: Today in great NCAA rules interpretations - CornFed - 05-13-2014

Thank you!  That's the ticket.

Re: Today in great NCAA rules interpretations - terry - 05-13-2014

Oklahoma has been found guilty of major infractions 8 times, which puts it high on the NCAA enforcement leaderboard. Three of those major infractions were since 2006. Oklahoma can't afford another NCAA penalty. If they seem to be hypersensitive to possible violations, it's not because they are such straight arrows. Quite the opposite. They are notorious cheaters who are afraid they may run out of second chances.

Re: Today in great NCAA rules interpretations - CTcard - 05-13-2014

(05-13-2014, 10:02 PM)terry link Wrote:Oklahoma has been found guilty of major infractions 8 times, which puts it high on the NCAA enforcement leaderboard. Three of those major infractions were since 2006. Oklahoma can't afford another NCAA penalty. If they seem to be hypersensitive to possible violations, it's not because they are such straight arrows. Quite the opposite. They are notorious cheaters who are afraid they may run out of second chances.

Well, the creditable view of that set of circumstances is that they acknowledge they have screwed up in the past and recognize that their past requires extra scrutiny now.

A less creditable view is that OU is unhappy with the NCAA pestering them about niggling things like mere cheating, and thus is trying to i) annoy, ii) divert, and iii) discredit the NCAA by sending in any possible imagined short-coming as a self-reported minor violation. These reports then leak out to the media, accompanied by all the expected outrage towards the unreasonable NCAA rules.

Re: Today in great NCAA rules interpretations - teejers1 - 05-14-2014

Given the gossip re: Arnold's legendary philandering, I now wonder what exactly was discussed at that Silverado dinner!

Re: Today in great NCAA rules interpretations - Mick - 05-14-2014

(05-14-2014, 11:56 AM)teejers1 link Wrote:Given the gossip re: Arnold's legendary philandering, I now wonder what exactly was discussed at that Silverado dinner!

A friend of mine is a Stanford law school grad and politician; met Ahnuld about five years ago.  Said he's the most alpha male guy he's ever met; wondered if he wore lifts in his shoes.

Re: Today in great NCAA rules interpretations - jacketree - 05-14-2014

Mick, is the alpha male the half lemonade / half ice tea Arnold or the Governator?

As to that Silverado conversation:

"There's great action at Perkins son....."

Re: Today in great NCAA rules interpretations - slide - 05-14-2014

(05-14-2014, 11:56 AM)teejers1 link Wrote:Given the gossip re: Arnold's legendary philandering, I now wonder what exactly was discussed at that Silverado dinner!

the King is probably glad he lived in a more discrete era.  I suspect you don't have to wonder what the non-golf conversation concerned.