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Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - Extra Point - 05-18-2014

This isn't earth shattering, but Stanford and Vanderbilt are negotiating a home and home.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/vanderbiltinsider/2014/05/14/vandy-close-to-finalizing-series-with-tsu/9083185/

"Stanford is interested, Williams said, but there is some trouble in aligning the seasons. Williams would like to start a home-and-home with Stanford in 2017. Stanford evidently can't do it that season, but could do 2018 – although playing in 2019 is problematic for Stanford and the Cardinal isn't keen on the notion of spreading two games over more than two years."

There is one significant implication to this though. A home and home would leave no room for San Jose State for two more years. It looks like the AD is serious about dumping them permantly. This is fine with me.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/pac-10/stanford-cardinal.php

Re: Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - StanFan88 - 05-18-2014

I'll take Vandy over SJSU all day long.  SOS matters, and frankly SJSU is a creampuff OOC game not any kind of local rivalry.

And SJSU loves us, too - Redrum - 05-18-2014

Apparently this was a divorce made in heaven.  They got a little less irritable when, like the last kid to be invited to join the cool kids,  the Mountain West car finally stopped and let the Spartans cram into the back seat.  But still,  on principle I didn't mind playing them, I just hated it when we stumbled around and they beat us.  The only case I can see for the series is its potential
to defend what little college sports fan turf resides in the South Bay now that the 49ers are the biggest, baddest $how in town. But even in resurgence, their attendance just doesn't justify it.  Ours will always hit some sort of ceiling and we might be at that now.  It would be interesting to see how Vandy draws.  By 2018 our team might blow chunks.

Why is playing in 2019 problematic?  Big Boy George comeback concert scheduled?

Re: Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - French Rage - 05-18-2014

Yeah in the long run it's hard to get too upset over losing SJSU.  I would not have actively wanted to end it, since it was nice to have the local game with some history, but as things developed the way they did, losing them from the schedule is not the worst thing.  Granted they are not a Citadel/Troy level walkover game, but they also are not at the level of even a mid-level BCS foe; even moreso with the eyeball test for most of the country, who were probably unaware of how good SJSU was 2 years ago when we beat them; to them it was just another creampuff.

Of course this all assumes we do our best to replace them with a legit opponent, and not Sac St and UC Davis every year.

Re: Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - Extra Point - 05-18-2014

(05-18-2014, 12:41 PM)French Rage link Wrote:Of course this all assumes we do our best to replace them with a legit opponent, and not Sac St and The school that shall not be mentioned every year.

I vaguely remember talk about a Sac St game in 2015. Just like last year, there is an open slot that would normally be scheduled years in advance. Anyone?

Love your metaphores Redrum!

Re: Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - OutsiderFan - 05-19-2014

The question is, with Oregon, UW, USC, UCLA, and Notre Dame on the schedule every year, all power programs, and sometimes dangerous OSU, Cal, and WSU, plus at least one of the Arizona schools, and former BCS teams Utah and Colorado, how much more difficult should Stanford want its open slot opponents to be?  More importantly, where do you draw the line between pumping up SOS and risking too many losses for SOS to matter? 

Honestly, I'd work to get SJS on the schedule annually at Levi's Stadium, and schedule home and homes with the likes of Texas, Oklahoma, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Nebraska, Michigan, etc.  Stanford fans should get the opportunity to see Stanford play at these big time college football venues, and have the opportunity to see a traditional OOC power team at home not named Notre Dame.  When's the last time that happened?  Texas in the early 00's?

Re: Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - 82lsju - 05-19-2014

(05-19-2014, 04:03 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Honestly, I'd work to get SJS on the schedule annually at Levi's Stadium,

I wonder if this would work out financially given the crowds we get playing SJSU at home, I'm not convinced we'd sell enough additional tickets to make playing at Levi's Stadium payout.

Re: Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - Extra Point - 05-19-2014

(05-19-2014, 04:03 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Honestly, I'd work to get SJS on the schedule annually at Levi's Stadium, and schedule home and homes with the likes of Texas, Oklahoma, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Nebraska, Michigan, etc.  Stanford fans should get the opportunity to see Stanford play at these big time college football venues, and have the opportunity to see a traditional OOC power team at home not named the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends.  When's the last time that happened?  Texas in the early 00's?

What do you find attractive about San Jose? Why would you want to play them annually at Levi's stadium? And, how exactly would you work to make this happen, honestly?

I am with you on playing home and homes with OOC power teams. I like variety. If I had my way I would also dump the ND series and play one OCC game a year against reasonable regional opponents like Nevada, Fresno State, BYU, Air Force, Hawaii, Colorado State, and Boise State.

Re: Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - terry - 05-19-2014

(05-19-2014, 09:23 AM)82lsju link Wrote:[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=10001.msg89658#msg89658 date=1400497386]

Honestly, I'd work to get SJS on the schedule annually at Levi's Stadium,

I wonder if this would work out financially given the crowds we get playing SJSU at home, I'm not convinced we'd sell enough additional tickets to make playing at Levi's Stadium payout.
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I don't want to give up a home game. I'd much rather tailgate under the oak trees at Stanford than in a parking lot in Santa Clara.

Re: Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - OutsiderFan - 05-19-2014

SJS is the ideal OOC opponent for Stanford in the "pretty much pencil in a W" category.  SJS usually has some good athletes and is not a total and complete pushover like a D2 school.  And they are right next door, so there is no real travel impact.  Isn't the whole reason the SJS-Stanford series is over because SJS wants Stanford to play in San Jose and Stanford rightfully refuses because Spartan Stadium has such a small capacity?

Perhaps a compromise would be SJS could play Stanford at Levi's Stadium for its home game against Stanford in a home and home series?  This way Stanford can play its home games against SJS at Stanford Stadium and will have the opportunity to have larger crowds for SJS home games against Stanford.  Wouldn't Levi's hosting SJS home games against Stanford take the issue off the table that is causing disagreement between the two schools?



Re: Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - fullmetal - 05-19-2014

I don't think we have the cash to buy SJS into our sched, not when they can take a bodybag payout from the likes of Alabama, etc.  Them's the breaks.

Re: Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - terry - 05-19-2014

(05-19-2014, 11:53 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Wouldn't Levi's hosting SJS home games against Stanford take the issue off the table that is causing disagreement between the two schools?

All of our games against San Jose State should be home games. We should never play a road or neutral game against them.

Re: Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - needle - 05-19-2014

Quote: All of our games against San Jose State should be home games. We should never play a road or neutral game against them. 

I've posted previously that I think the ties between the schools make the games attractive from my point of view. It's not only geography, but also Bill Walsh and Jack Elway that make the game meaningful to me. I hope they can work out a deal to play each other, though even I don't think it should be a year-in, year-out rivalry.

There are circumstances where a big power school will travel to play its little brother. This fall, Oklahoma will travel to the University of Tulsa to play. The schools are about two hours apart.

At first glance, it seems like a comparable situation: OU is, of course, in a powerhouse conference, and TU is not. I do think there are some key differences, however. OU is far, far more popular in Tulsa than the home school, so the move is imo a bit of a sop to all the OU fans in Tulsa, Oklahoma's second-largest city. TU's stadium is small and they have poor attendance, so it is comparable in that regard.

Re: Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - Mick - 05-20-2014

(05-19-2014, 01:25 PM)terry link Wrote:[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=10001.msg89696#msg89696 date=1400525606]
Wouldn't Levi's hosting SJS home games against Stanford take the issue off the table that is causing disagreement between the two schools?

All of our games against San Jose State should be home games. We should never play a road or neutral game against them.
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I think if we were willing to pay for that privilege, we would have that schedule.

Re: Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - terry - 05-20-2014

If San Jose State doesn't want to play at Stanford without a return home game, then we should find somebody else who will do it -- Idaho, New Mexico State, UCDavis, Sacramento State, whoever.

If we're going to have a home-and-home arrangement with anyone, it should be a school that is worth the road trip. Army was a great road trip. So was Duke. I'm planning to make the Virginia trip. I would go to Vandy. But there's no point in making a road trip (or neutral site trip) to play San Jose State.

I seem to recall... - Mick - 05-20-2014

...that one year the game was played at San Jose State, ostensibly to help their program.  I remember thinking that the chief attraction was that they sold beer inside the stadium.

Sometimes you just have to let things go - Redrum - 05-20-2014

and San Jose St. is one of them.  They have a serious "thing" with Stanford that they just can't get past.    R-E-S-P-E-C-T.  They want to be respected as co-equal among the three Bay Area football schools,  but of late they can't beat Stanford, so they have to rely on the trappings of equality:  home and home rivalry games and payouts equal to those big time teams get coming into Stanford. (Or rather, equal to what they'd get going off to get slaughtered at some other school that wouldn't schedule them home and home either)  They can't get either home and home or fantasy payouts from Stanford for a variety of reasons,  but mainly because they just don't draw large crowds, of their own fans or of ours.  Wasn't always this way, but 'tis now and you'd have to go back in time a ways to get to when it was.

But payouts aside,  San Jose has done a good job shoring up it's schedule with home/home games against slightly less daunting opponents than Auburn, both of which will be @ Auburn .
Besides Auburn, they've scheduled respectable schools which might be beatable on the road if coach Carragher continues to develop his team.

2014: @ North Dakota/ @ Auburn /@ Minnesota /@ Navy
2015  @ Auburn / @ Oregon St./  BYU in San Jose
2016  Utah in San Jose/ @ Colorado  /@ Iowa St.
2017  @ Utah / Colorado in San Jose/ @ BYU / Iowa St. in San Jose
Interesting notes:  Oregon St. isn't scheduled for second half of home/home until 5 years later, visiting San Jose in 2020.  Former SJSU coach MacIntyre doing a solid to the Spartans by tentatively scheduling them for three games, only one of which would be in San Jose.

This is evidence SJSU is moving on with their life without us, which is a good thing.



Re: Future Football Schedules - Vanderbilt - teejers1 - 05-20-2014

In addition to the beer being served, the field is very cozy and great for viewing.  I don't have a problem playing at SJSU every once in a while, particularly if it will help them sustain their program.

P.S.  I have seen Stanford lose at SJSU (the beer sales came in handy that day).  Also think a Fasani-led team also beat SJSU on a sloppy field.  Thus, Stanford has played at least a couple games at SJSU in last 20 years or so.

Re: I seem to recall... - terry - 05-20-2014

(05-20-2014, 10:05 AM)Mick link Wrote:...that one year the game was played at San Jose State, ostensibly to help their program.  I remember thinking that the chief attraction was that they sold beer inside the stadium.

Stanford played at SJSU in 1995, 2001, and 2006. I think Bill Walsh, a SJSU grad, was a factor in getting Stanford to schedule at least a couple of those games, if not all of them.

I attended two of those games. I don't mind going to games at Spartan Stadium. It's a pretty decent place to watch a game, and yes, they did sell beer back then. I don't know whether that's still the case. But playing at SJSU is just not as good as a home game, not even close. The tailgating is much better at Stanford. The number of Stanford fans who attend is much better. The home field advantage is much better. And I'm sure the economics are much better. There's really no good reason to play at SJSU.

San Jose's televised home game... - Redrum - 05-20-2014

...which I caught them mid/ late last season.  Even with some artful camera shot selection, the camera was not kind to their claims that the corner had been turned on attendance.  I don't remember the opponent, but the game was decently exciting but there was almost zero energy making it to my TV and LOTS of empty seats.  The saddest part was were the shots of their "premium" seats which are in the end zone as part of the the new football facilities and club suites.  They were using actual broadcast time breaks to  promote the sponsorship opportunities for the club suites, coaches' offices, meeting rooms, auditoriums, locker rooms and other physical features.

  Over the last five home games,  the Spartans averaged about 17,500 per game, with the median at 16,000 when the best attended Fresno St. ( 23,000) was excluded. [Fresno St. travels well]  Their lowest attended game was 10,500 against Utah St.    Those figures might be generous. Supposedly there was a dictum sent that attendance numbers-- contrary to the practice in previous decades-- would count actual butts in the seats,  not simply tickets sold.  There was constant pushback against that more pessimistic approach and it got caught up for a while in the piecemeal migration of WAC teams to the Mountain West Conf.    Seems likely that SJSU's precarious football situation played into the MWC's reluctance to take them along with the original WAC transferees (Hawaii, Fresno St., Nev. Reno and Boise St.)  But it makes it difficult to tell, over the long run,  how successful they are at increasing attendance over very mushy previous attendance figures.