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OT: The new 49ers coach - BostonCard - 01-14-2015

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12168370/jim-tomsula-promoted-san-francisco-49ers-head-coach

Jim Tomsula (D-line coach) looks to be getting the job.

BC

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - washingtonismoney - 01-14-2015

"LOL" -- crying Niners fans.

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - stupac2 - 01-14-2015

(01-14-2015, 04:19 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:"LOL" -- crying Niners fans.

Is this that bad? I mean, if keeps Fangio on then it won't be like they should get that much worse, right?

...Right?

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - BobK - 01-14-2015

Why would Fangio stay?  Hope he does but why would he want to?

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - stupac2 - 01-14-2015

(01-14-2015, 05:36 PM)BobK link Wrote:Why would Fangio stay?  Hope he does but why would he want to?

He likes the bay area? I don't know, I just figured that if he were leaving there'd be more scuttlebutt about him and I haven't heard any.

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - StannyBoy - 01-14-2015

I saw something about Tarver leaving the Raiders for the Niners to be the DC. Fangio is gone.

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - washingtonismoney - 01-14-2015

(01-14-2015, 04:52 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:Is this that bad? I mean, if keeps Fangio on then it won't be like they should get that much worse, right?

...Right?

In of itself, if there were a vacuum that just happened to arise, then Tomsula seems like a perfectly plausible hire, I suppose. Short of obvious awesome hires (say...hiring Jim Harbaugh to Michigan) or obviously dumb hires (say...Gene Chizik to Auburn), basically my thinking when logically assessing coaching hires is, "Is it plausible? If so, that's fine." Because coaching hires are too weird and too unpredictable to give a strong assessment short of the obvious.

(I mean, I thought Jim Mora would be an obvious failure, Todd Graham would be meh, and Mike Leach brilliant during hte last big round of Pac-12 hires. The one that I'm vindicated on, in retrospect, is the Rich Rodriguez hire, which I was sure would be great.)

But I can't be rational and pretend that there was just this vacuum; I can't just assume the sunk cost, etc. I can't get it out of my mind that the Niners ditched a lavishly successful coach for reasons that are, most charitably, unclear. (The more Jed York tries to explain, the stupider he seems to me.) That's why the "LOL." It's, "seriously? This is why you fired Jim Harbaugh?"

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - OutsiderFan - 01-15-2015

So Jed believes Tomsula, Tarver, and Trestman will lead to more wins than Harbuguh, Fangio, and Roman...

Never a big Roman guy, but JH went 44-11-1 in fouur years, including three NFC CGs and a Super Bowl appearance with those coaches.  Trestman?  Really?

I'll go out on a limb and predict Tomsula will be like Buddy Teevens.  Really nice guy by all accounts, but has no edge to him that makes others uncomfortable, doesn't inspire high level performance, and is going from a position coach to HC before proving himself as a coordinator at the highest level.

I have no faith in any decision the Niners make at this point until they win another playoff game.  That includes personnel decisions, style of play, even what brand of coffee they buy for their office.  And I don't think my perspective on things at 4949 Centennial is very different than 99% of Niners fans.  Maybe if Baalke had proven himself as a GM it would be easier to trust him, but he seems to know offensive talent like the back of my hand.

Replacing Harbaugh with Tomsula feels like being cheated on by a significant other, or having someone you hired work behind your back to get you fired from your company.  It feels like your baby has been taken from you and been given to Octomom to be raised.  That's the kind of let down it feels like.  You still love the team, hope it does well, and are open to the possibility things may be better, but all your good feelings about the enterprise are gone, and it's just a clinical exercise until you see satisfactory results because you just don't believe it's possible.  Otherwise, it's a joyless relationship where you start out questioning everything the new regime does until ultimately you just stop caring, not only about the team, but the league it plays in.

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - Griffins78 - 01-16-2015

Wow - that was a pretty bad first day press conference and series of interviews.

I've lost my affection for the 49ers that started when Walsh left Stanford and left when the York's took over and fired Steve Mariucci. Came back when Harbaugh, Fangio, and Roman joined. And now I don't have much of a feeling for them. There isn't that much to like about them. I'm more excited about watching Seattle and Indianapolis play.

And with the SF Giants winning 3 World Series in 5 years and the Warriors having turned things around with brilliant oversight by my childhood hero, Jerry West, the Warriors are leading the NBA and the buzz around town - fans don't really care that much about the 49ers right now. The 49ers have lost a lot of fans in the last year.

In terms of value - Harbaugh turned things around which was instrumental in the 49ers ability to build a new stadium and sell seats and suites. So they kick him out and say they instead want to win with class. Which I find ironic. Tomsula only had to coach 3 positions - the DL. And Ray McDonald was his player - one of only a small number of players he was responsible for. And Aldon Smith was an OLB but kind of like a DE. I guess Tomsula must have wanted to not let them play and would have preferred to kick them off the team and he didn't seem to be the "teacher" for them that York said he wants his HC to be. Right.

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - rudruff - 01-17-2015

I am more concerned about the Niners losing Fangio than Harbaugh. I can't say they lost me as a fan, but a couple of bad weeks to start next season and I will find something else to do with my Sunday afternoons.



I feel the same as Griffin and OF - Mick - 01-17-2015

In five years, we will look back on this as a legendarily bad deal.

I realize that Harbaugh had worn out his welcome.  A year ago, I listened to Brent Jones speak very candidly about Harbaugh on KNBR.  He didn't say that he'd lost the locker room, and he said that Harbaugh probably had his fans and ticked off other guys -- particularly those who weren't playing much -- but at the same time, Harbaugh is clearly high maintenance on professional players, and that he had worn out his welcome, perhaps after the second year.  Jones said, essentially, he wouldn't like playing for him.  At the same time, you have a very young owner, who is caught between two high ego guys, Baalke and Harbaugh.  Harbaugh took the team to three NFC championships and a Super Bowl.  His worst year was this year, 8-8, and with all the injuries he probably did well to finish at that level.  But Harbaugh has the fourth winningest record in the Super Bowl era.  I don't think Baalke is near the performer that Harbaugh was.  Just look at the 2012 draft.  One player is in the roster from that draft.  But at the same time, management clearly signalled a preference for Baalke.  Baalke is more digestible to Jed and presumably Paraag and others.  So Harbaugh needed to go.

They had a sham of a search, selected Tomsula who kept Rathman and no one else.  Fangio, who shares a few personality habits with Harbaugh, is no longer DC.  All defensive coaches from a damn good defense...gone.  Except Tomsula, who coached the fewest players.  And look at the 49ers web page.  The vibe feels like they're overreaching in their justification of Tomsula.

Two predictions.  Tomsula will hire a crappy OC.  The team will be 7-9 or worse next year.  Kaepernick will not develop and will not be a 49er in 2017.  Tomsula's overall record will be less than .450 and maybe less than .400.

Bad, bad, BAD hire.

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - fullmetal - 01-18-2015

Tank the 2015 season.  Grab good draft picks (they've been stocking, right?).  Grab a hot coach next year and dump this one-year interim filler.  Set up for a Super Bowl run in two years.

Re: I feel the same as Griffin and OF - CTcard - 01-18-2015

(01-17-2015, 11:00 PM)Mick link Wrote:In five years, we will look back on this as a legendarily bad deal.

In five years?

Re: I feel the same as Griffin and OF - Mick - 01-18-2015

(01-18-2015, 08:19 AM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=11543.msg111054#msg111054 date=1421560826]
In five years, we will look back on this as a legendarily bad deal.

In five years?
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Oh sure.  Right now, it just looks like a regular, old, garden-variety bad deal.  You know the kind, when the owner refuses to talk to the media for months, then gets roasted on his home station (in this case, by Murph on KNBR, podcast from 12/30/14 still available); the GM Baalke overreaches for ties to the great past (Walsh), and the coach appears not-ready-for-primetime.

My favorite lines:  Jed says "It was a mutual decision" and coach says "I serve at the pleasure of ownership."  Ho-ho-ho.  Also....
Murph:  "Winning is the only thing that matters."  Jed: "Winning with class is the only thing that matters.  Murph: "So why was Harbaugh the only one let go?"
Murph: "You guys were winning at a historic clip, and you chose to go the other way.  Why did you stop that?"  Jed: "I don't know what to tell you.  it was an easy decision for me and easy for Jim."
Murph:  "Someone in your building was planting stories.  Who planted them?"  Jed:  "I have no idea."

So right now, just a bad deal.  I don't think you can say this is legendarily bad until after three or more really, really, bad seasons.  So I think we need to wait at least three years. 

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - washingtonismoney - 01-18-2015

I dunno, a lot of people were saying Harbaugh might have lost some in the locker room. But, when I watched the team, it did not look like a bunch of guys who had given up on the coach or the season -- impressive, given that the were practically invited to do so. My belief, if the story ever emerges, is that there was a power play between Baalke and Harbaugh; York, stupidly, chose Baalke. They backfilled the justification from there.

I'm not someone who puts a lot of stock in interviews/public pronouncements, but this one was just discouraging: http://www.csnbayarea.com/video_content_type/tomsula-addresses-process-finding-coordinators

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - BobK - 01-18-2015

Here comes Lan Kniffen?  Good Goad!!! >:(    Great looking wife though. 

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - Mick - 01-18-2015

We gave up Greg Roman for Lane Kiffin?  And this is Tomsula's first hire?  Hoo...boy.  Kiffin supposedly hated and fought the selection of JaMarcus Russell when he was HC for the Raiders.  Anyone want to take bets on how long he and Baalke have until it implodes?

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - washingtonismoney - 01-18-2015

(01-18-2015, 02:04 PM)Mick link Wrote:And this is Tomsula's first hire?  Hoo...boy.  Kiffin supposedly hated and fought the selection of JaMarcus Russell when he was HC for the Raiders.  Anyone want to take bets on how long he and Baalke have until it implodes?

Tim Kawakami and a few other Niners beat writers seem to think Baalke is the one driving most of the staff hirings. The implication/my inference is that, basically, Baalke wants to be Billy Beane and turn his coaches into his puppets.

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - Mick - 01-18-2015

(01-18-2015, 02:17 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=11543.msg111095#msg111095 date=1421615089] And this is Tomsula's first hire?  Hoo...boy.  Kiffin supposedly hated and fought the selection of JaMarcus Russell when he was HC for the Raiders.  Anyone want to take bets on how long he and Baalke have until it implodes?

Tim Kawakami and a few other Niners beat writers seem to think Baalke is the one driving most of the staff hirings. The implication/my inference is that, basically, Baalke wants to be Billy Beane and turn his coaches into his puppets.
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That's the sense that I get.  I think that works in baseball where player selection and minor league development drives successs.  I don't think the NFL head coach can be an afterthought, though.

Re: OT: The new 49ers coach - StanFan88 - 01-18-2015

(01-18-2015, 02:17 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=11543.msg111095#msg111095 date=1421615089] And this is Tomsula's first hire?  Hoo...boy.  Kiffin supposedly hated and fought the selection of JaMarcus Russell when he was HC for the Raiders.  Anyone want to take bets on how long he and Baalke have until it implodes?

Tim Kawakami and a few other Niners beat writers seem to think Baalke is the one driving most of the staff hirings. The implication/my inference is that, basically, Baalke wants to be Billy Beane and turn his coaches into his puppets.
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Unfortunately, teamwork and coaching mean even more in football than in baseball, especially once the game starts.