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Re: I sooooooo wanted to see Redrum's name in this story... - Rally - 07-01-2015

This story linked from the article above really disturbs me, particularly if the facts printed in it are correct.


http://www.offthegridnews.com/current-events/breaking-police-seize-6-children-simply-because-family-was-camping/

Re: I sooooooo wanted to see Redrum's name in this story... - 81alum - 07-01-2015

Here is a classic Sports Illustrated article about a man who really did live off the grid.  It was published in 1966.  I met Sylvan Hart (aka "Buckskin Bill") a few years later when my Dad and I backpacked in to see him.  Later, when rafting the River of No Return became popular, he had more regular visitors as the rafters would pull over when he raised his doughnut flag, indicating that he would feed them doughnuts!

Not only was Buckskin Bill a fascinating man, this was an exceptionally well written (and extensive) article and puts to shame the writing that is done in Sports Illustrated today.

Enjoy!

http://www.si.com/vault/1966/10/03/610646/the-last-of-the-mountain-men

Re: I sooooooo wanted to see Redrum's name in this story... - Rally - 07-01-2015

(07-01-2015, 02:32 PM)81alum link Wrote:Here is a classic Sports Illustrated article about a man who really did live off the grid.  It was published in 1966.  I met Sylvan Hart (aka "Buckskin Bill") a few years later when my Dad and I backpacked in to see him.  Later, when rafting the River of No Return became popular, he had more regular visitors as the rafters would pull over when he raised his doughnut flag, indicating that he would feed them doughnuts!

Not only was Buckskin Bill a fascinating man, this was an exceptionally well written (and extensive) article and puts to shame the writing that is done in Sports Illustrated today.

Enjoy!

http://www.si.com/vault/1966/10/03/610646/the-last-of-the-mountain-men


A nice read.  Thank you.

Re: I sooooooo wanted to see Redrum's name in this story... - Durty Nelly - 07-02-2015

I met Bill a few times in the late 70's.  He was a character and loved to show off his collection of various items.  The pickled baby mountain lion was memorable as was his handmade large bore rifle/cannon (he was still having forest service issues).

Re: I sooooooo wanted to see Redrum's name in this story... - 81alum - 07-02-2015

(07-02-2015, 11:31 AM)Durty Nelly link Wrote:I met Bill a few times in the late 70's.  He was a character and loved to show off his collection of various items.  The pickled baby mountain lion was memorable as was his handmade large bore rifle/cannon (he was still having forest service issues).
Did you see him when rafting?  Yes, he was fond of asking if you would like to see his kittens, then getting that old pickle jar out.

The next Christmas after we saw him, the postman knocked on our door to deliver an unusual Christmas card.  It was from Buckskin Bill--he took an elk shoulder blade and etched his Christmas greetings on it in what he thought were Indian pictograms.  Then he addressed it and attached stamps.  The postman was very nonplussed to be delivering a shoulder blade.  I don't really know if he came out to use the post office ever, or whether he handed his shoulder blades to rafters to post for him!

There is some motion footage of him about two minutes into this youtube, and I think the cougar kittens are featured.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ3JF66OjBE

Re: I sooooooo wanted to see Redrum's name in this story... - Durty Nelly - 07-02-2015

I was a Wilderness Camp Counselor and had my whitewater guide's license for the Main Salmon.  I floated it 5 times in 3 years. I seem to remember that he would go to Grangeville about once a year but am not sure where I heard or read it,  He was closely linked with the passing jet boats and Mackay Bar.  It is most likely he got your Xmas card out through one of them.  The rafting season ends much earlier than the outfitting/hunting season, October/November.  The jet boats were the main distribution and collection service on the river for the locals that did not have airstrips.


Do you know if the Indian pictograms were the plains/Oklahoma Indians (where he grew up) or the Nezperce who were native to Central Idaho?


Great times and great memories of the 90 mile rafting trips on the Salmon. 









Re: I sooooooo wanted to see Redrum's name in this story... - 81alum - 07-03-2015

(07-02-2015, 02:12 PM)Durty Nelly link Wrote:Do you know if the Indian pictograms were the plains/Oklahoma Indians (where he grew up) or the Nezperce who were native to Central Idaho?
I do not remember, and sadly, my family no longer has the shoulder blade.  My father may have given it to a museum before he died.  I remember a conversation about it, and something tells me Plains Indians, but it also could simply have been Buckskin's own concoction, I suppose.

Somewhat related story - BostonCard - 07-05-2015

Where living "off the grid" was not, in fact, illegal:

http://www.quora.com/Why-is-living-off-the-grid-illegal

Quote:Robin Speronis is not being prosecuted for living off-grid. This story is taking place in Cape Coral, FL, where I lived for 20 years and where my parents still live.

She's being prosecuted for spreading raw sewage all over her yard and contaminating her neighbors.

In Florida, you can go off the grid and live without electricity all you like (and if you Google the court case, which I'll get to in a moment, you'll see the judge explicitly stated she wasn't being cited for being off the power grid).

She was collecting rainwater but still using the sewer without paying for it, which is what she was originally cited for. After that, she started throwing raw sewage all over the yard, which is why she was cited again.

It appears that the Huntsville situation is similar:

http://www.fox10tv.com/story/29326010/city-responds-to-couple-trying-to-live-off-the-grid

This was the county's responds:

Quote:"There is nothing illegal about living "off the grid," provided interested citizens go through proper channels. We encourage green environmental living, and our departments stand ready and willing to guide citizens through the appropriate permitting process. We have several residents in the City utilizing solar power and some are actually putting power back on the grid.

"The source of Mr. Truitt's utilities is not an issue. No resident is required to buy utilities from the city. Any property owner, however, is required to meet the building codes that are enforced across the city. The systems Mr. Truitt has attempted to put in do not meet any of the building codes, nor did Mr. Truitt apply for any permits as required by law. His sanitary situation further violates state health codes."

The big things seem to be that he has a trailer house not in a trailer park, and possibly questions about his sanitation.

BC