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Today in Opponent Attrition, Arizona edition - BostonCard - 09-26-2015
https://twitter.com/Wildcat_Country/status/647953038561308673
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/college-football/story/_/id/13749551/anu-solomon-arizona-leaves-game-ucla-injury
Surprised no one mentioned this; Anu Solomon, our next week opponent's starting QB, left the game with an undisclosed injury (though it looks like his head or neck). I hope for his sake that it is not serious, and that it doesn't sideline him for more than one week*.
BC
* Truth be told, for a head or neck injury, I don't want anyone out, period. I'd rather that he have been taken out for precautionary purposes and be cleared to play us than that he have a serious head or neck injury.
Re: Today in Opponent Attrition, Arizona edition - stupac2 - 09-26-2015
Announcers said it was a concussion check.
Re: Today in Opponent Attrition, Arizona edition - BostonCard - 09-26-2015
Solomon didn't play after that play, so presumably he suffered an actual concussion and was held out as a result. Hopefully it is pretty mild and he will be cleared soon.
BC
Re: Today in Opponent Attrition, Arizona edition - ThePassionOfTheChryst - 09-26-2015
I wish him the best, but if he can't go next week that's obviously (so obvious I'm embarrassed even mentioning it) a brobdingnagian deal for us.
Re: Today in Opponent Attrition, Arizona edition - yvonne - 09-27-2015
I hope for his sake he doesn't play. Old men hobbling around on canes are one thing. Old men who can't remember their names, or how to eat are something else entirely, and so are young men so consumed by depression that they decide not to take it anymore. Let him play on a bum ankle, a sore shoulder, or weak knees, but keep players with injured brains off the field.
Re: Today in Opponent Attrition, Arizona edition - OutsiderFan - 09-27-2015
Agree with Yvonne. He's less susceptible to getting more brain damage the longer he allows his brain to recover.
Re: Today in Opponent Attrition, Arizona edition - SUBuddha - 09-27-2015
(09-27-2015, 12:26 PM)Yvonne link Wrote:I hope for his sake he doesn't play. Old men hobbling around on canes are one thing. Old men who can't remember their names, or how to eat are something else entirely, and so are young men so consumed by depression that they decide not to take it anymore. Let him play on a bum ankle, a sore shoulder, or weak knees, but keep players with injured brains off the field.As some one who has played football, rugby, lacrosse, boxed and cage fought I have had at least 12 diagnosed concussions. I want to thank Yvonne for giving me a look into my future. Sad Buddha, Is Sad.
In all honesty every time I lose my temper I ask myself is this something to be angry about or am I showing signs of CTE.
Re: Today in Opponent Attrition, Arizona edition - dabigv13 - 09-27-2015
You can take heart knowing that there are a lot more ex-NFL players who still do remember their names, and probably had a lot more than 12 concussions.
The science on CTE has a long ways to go to catch up to the way it's sometimes portrayed in the media.
Re: Today in Opponent Attrition, Arizona edition - stupac2 - 09-27-2015
(09-27-2015, 05:41 PM)dabigv link Wrote:You can take heart knowing that there are a lot more ex-NFL players who still do remember their names, and probably had a lot more than 12 concussions.
The science on CTE has a long ways to go to catch up to the way it's sometimes portrayed in the media.
You're a doctor and following this, right? That's something I've been wondering about, the headlines "90/93 EX-NFL PLAYERS HAVE BRAIN DISEASE!!!" sure do seem dramatic, but they're only testing people who are symptomatic, right? So the sample is super biased? I've definitely been wondering how much those studies actually do tell us.
Re: Today in Opponent Attrition, Arizona edition - dabigv13 - 09-27-2015
Following only peripherally, and it's not really my specialty. Every few months I do look on pubmed for anything new.
But yes, the stuff that I've seen has all been low numbers with extremely questionable patient populations that have a lot of confounding factors, and retrospective (obviously). Also, it's important to note that as of now, the pathological signs they are seeing, we don't really know how they relate to actual symptoms.
I don't think we'll have really good science for decades. That would probably require us to prospectively follow cohorts of players for many years, with reliable knowledge of their concussion history.
Re: Today in Opponent Attrition, Arizona edition - BostonCard - 09-27-2015
(09-27-2015, 07:39 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=dabigv link=topic=12941.msg131299#msg131299 date=1443400883]
You can take heart knowing that there are a lot more ex-NFL players who still do remember their names, and probably had a lot more than 12 concussions.
The science on CTE has a long ways to go to catch up to the way it's sometimes portrayed in the media.
You're a doctor and following this, right? That's something I've been wondering about, the headlines "90/93 EX-NFL PLAYERS HAVE BRAIN DISEASE!!!" sure do seem dramatic, but they're only testing people who are symptomatic, right? So the sample is super biased? I've definitely been wondering how much those studies actually do tell us.
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I think you are talking about this study (I'm linking a lay source): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/01/frontline-nfl-brain-disease_n_5911142.html
As the article notes:
Quote:The study's brain specimens were donated by players and families who suspected the presence of the disease, presenting a skewed population.
So, in football players who go on to develop symptoms, in most cases, there is pathological evidence of CTE (you can't even necessarily make the link that the CTE is causal, as it could be a true but unrelated finding). Even if it is causal, the real question is how large the denominator is. How many people played football and never developed symptoms (or don't have CTE on autopsy).
As has been noted, while repeated concussions are likely the mechanism that results in CTE, there isn't clear correlation between the number and severity of concussions and whether someone gets CTE. Some players have had multiple, repeated, severe concussions and never developed CTE while others have developed the disease despite relatively few and "minor" concussions.
BC
Re: Today in Opponent Attrition, Arizona edition - OutsiderFan - 09-28-2015
It seems logical to believe some brains have more capacity to absorb brain trauma without long-term impacts than others do. Just like some athletes are "injury prone" (see Brennan Scarlett), and others can seemingly avoid injuries, or at least real serious ones.