What has he done? This is not a criticism, but a question. Have there been any significant hires or facilities upgrades under his watch? Have there been any changes to athletes' academic performance? What are other metrics by which which AD's are measured? How does he measure up?
My letter to Bernard Muir
What has he done? This is not a criticism, but a question. Have there been any significant hires or facilities upgrades under his watch? Have there been any changes to athletes' academic performance? What are other metrics by which which AD's are measured? How does he measure up?
04-09-2015, 10:15 AM
(04-09-2015, 06:18 AM)Mick link Wrote:As my first boss used to say, "1's hire 1's, 2's hire 3's."
It's a good thing Bowlsby and not Muir had to replace Harris.
04-09-2015, 10:55 AM
What a b.s. view from Muir. Recruiting-wise Dawkins has had upper-echelon Pac-12 talent and it sticks around. Strictly from an on-court perspective, would it be nice to have one-and-done players? Sure, I guess. But the main problem is that Dawkins is a mediocre coach. What an awful judge of talent.
What a b.s. view from Muir. Recruiting-wise Dawkins has had upper-echelon Pac-12 talent and it sticks around. Strictly from an on-court perspective, would it be nice to have one-and-done players? Sure, I guess. But the main problem is that Dawkins is a mediocre coach. What an awful judge of talent.
04-09-2015, 11:01 AM
Before blaming Muir and pillorying his pathetic responses, listen to Yvonne. It may very well be that the University brass does not want to be competing for basketball championships precisely because of the "one and done problem."
In other words, the real answers can be found above Muir on the org chart.Â
Now you can appreciate how Ca.l fans felt with Ben Braun.
In other words, the real answers can be found above Muir on the org chart.Â
Now you can appreciate how Ca.l fans felt with Ben Braun.
Before blaming Muir and pillorying his pathetic responses, listen to Yvonne. It may very well be that the University brass does not want to be competing for basketball championships precisely because of the "one and done problem."
In other words, the real answers can be found above Muir on the org chart.Â
Now you can appreciate how Ca.l fans felt with Ben Braun.
In other words, the real answers can be found above Muir on the org chart.Â
Now you can appreciate how Ca.l fans felt with Ben Braun.
04-09-2015, 11:23 AM
(04-09-2015, 11:10 AM)terry link Wrote:I just got a call from Muir. At least he's listening.
I got a call a couple of years ago from Muir. At a certain point, to paraphrase Chris Rock, we've got to stop giving him credit for things he's supposed to be doing.
(04-09-2015, 11:10 AM)terry link Wrote:I just got a call from Muir. At least he's listening.
I got a call a couple of years ago from Muir. At a certain point, to paraphrase Chris Rock, we've got to stop giving him credit for things he's supposed to be doing.
04-09-2015, 11:51 AM
Jabari Parker visited Stanford. I was there at the time. He was one and done. Muir was the AD.
To answer Yvonne which I thought I had, but maybe getting old:
New T&F Coach, excellent hire. Yes several have left the team and for track nuts you know that's not new, sadly
New Men's Swimming Coach:Â Jury out the Assistent to Kenney moved up
New Womens' Swim Coach:Â Great hire
New SB Coach: With one pitcher injured early and another hurt we have no pitchers. Jury out, but neutral observers on the national scene think a very good hire.Â
New Head of SIDs, firing the old which many wanted. Of course the new hire after 2 years off to Michigan
New Men's Soccer coach great hire but maybe hired after Bowlsby before Muir. WIM???
To answer Yvonne which I thought I had, but maybe getting old:
New T&F Coach, excellent hire. Yes several have left the team and for track nuts you know that's not new, sadly
New Men's Swimming Coach:Â Jury out the Assistent to Kenney moved up
New Womens' Swim Coach:Â Great hire
New SB Coach: With one pitcher injured early and another hurt we have no pitchers. Jury out, but neutral observers on the national scene think a very good hire.Â
New Head of SIDs, firing the old which many wanted. Of course the new hire after 2 years off to Michigan
New Men's Soccer coach great hire but maybe hired after Bowlsby before Muir. WIM???
Jabari Parker visited Stanford. I was there at the time. He was one and done. Muir was the AD.
To answer Yvonne which I thought I had, but maybe getting old:
New T&F Coach, excellent hire. Yes several have left the team and for track nuts you know that's not new, sadly
New Men's Swimming Coach:Â Jury out the Assistent to Kenney moved up
New Womens' Swim Coach:Â Great hire
New SB Coach: With one pitcher injured early and another hurt we have no pitchers. Jury out, but neutral observers on the national scene think a very good hire.Â
New Head of SIDs, firing the old which many wanted. Of course the new hire after 2 years off to Michigan
New Men's Soccer coach great hire but maybe hired after Bowlsby before Muir. WIM???
To answer Yvonne which I thought I had, but maybe getting old:
New T&F Coach, excellent hire. Yes several have left the team and for track nuts you know that's not new, sadly
New Men's Swimming Coach:Â Jury out the Assistent to Kenney moved up
New Womens' Swim Coach:Â Great hire
New SB Coach: With one pitcher injured early and another hurt we have no pitchers. Jury out, but neutral observers on the national scene think a very good hire.Â
New Head of SIDs, firing the old which many wanted. Of course the new hire after 2 years off to Michigan
New Men's Soccer coach great hire but maybe hired after Bowlsby before Muir. WIM???
04-09-2015, 12:11 PM
(04-09-2015, 11:51 AM)BobK link Wrote:New Men's Soccer coach great hire but maybe hired after Bowlsby before Muir. WIM???
Dunno who hired him, but he's a fantastic recruiter and a solid developer/in-game coach. Obviously captured the first conference title in years and has the team positioned for a national title run, I'd guess.
(04-09-2015, 11:51 AM)BobK link Wrote:New Men's Soccer coach great hire but maybe hired after Bowlsby before Muir. WIM???
Dunno who hired him, but he's a fantastic recruiter and a solid developer/in-game coach. Obviously captured the first conference title in years and has the team positioned for a national title run, I'd guess.
04-09-2015, 12:31 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-09-2015, 12:36 PM by StanfordMatt.)
Gunn was a Bowlsby hire.
http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2011/...er-program
In addition to Jabari Parker, Justise Winslow was another recruit who visited campus. Winslow is likely one-and-done.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...se-winslow
Aaron Gordon is another one-and-done who Dawkins recruited.
http://bayarea.sbnation.com/california-g...recruiting
http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2011/...er-program
In addition to Jabari Parker, Justise Winslow was another recruit who visited campus. Winslow is likely one-and-done.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...se-winslow
Aaron Gordon is another one-and-done who Dawkins recruited.
http://bayarea.sbnation.com/california-g...recruiting
(This post was last modified: 04-09-2015, 12:36 PM by StanfordMatt.)
Gunn was a Bowlsby hire.
http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2011/...er-program
In addition to Jabari Parker, Justise Winslow was another recruit who visited campus. Winslow is likely one-and-done.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...se-winslow
Aaron Gordon is another one-and-done who Dawkins recruited.
http://bayarea.sbnation.com/california-g...recruiting
http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2011/...er-program
In addition to Jabari Parker, Justise Winslow was another recruit who visited campus. Winslow is likely one-and-done.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...se-winslow
Aaron Gordon is another one-and-done who Dawkins recruited.
http://bayarea.sbnation.com/california-g...recruiting
04-09-2015, 01:09 PM
(04-09-2015, 11:51 AM)BobK link Wrote:To answer Yvonne which I thought I had, but maybe getting old:
New T&F Coach, excellent hire. Yes several have left the team and for track nuts you know that's not new, sadly
New Men's Swimming Coach:Â Jury out the Assistent to Kenney moved up
New Womens' Swim Coach:Â Great hire
New SB Coach: With one pitcher injured early and another hurt we have no pitchers. Jury out, but neutral observers on the national scene think a very good hire.Â
New Head of SIDs, firing the old which many wanted. Of course the new hire after 2 years off to Michigan
New Men's Soccer coach great hire but maybe hired after Bowlsby before Muir. WIM???
I thought that Anne Walker the women's golf coach was a Muir hire. But she appears to have been hired in the interim between Bowlsby and Muir.Â
http://golfweek.com/news/2012/jul/22/uc-...ord-women/
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
(04-09-2015, 11:51 AM)BobK link Wrote:To answer Yvonne which I thought I had, but maybe getting old:
New T&F Coach, excellent hire. Yes several have left the team and for track nuts you know that's not new, sadly
New Men's Swimming Coach:Â Jury out the Assistent to Kenney moved up
New Womens' Swim Coach:Â Great hire
New SB Coach: With one pitcher injured early and another hurt we have no pitchers. Jury out, but neutral observers on the national scene think a very good hire.Â
New Head of SIDs, firing the old which many wanted. Of course the new hire after 2 years off to Michigan
New Men's Soccer coach great hire but maybe hired after Bowlsby before Muir. WIM???
I thought that Anne Walker the women's golf coach was a Muir hire. But she appears to have been hired in the interim between Bowlsby and Muir.Â
http://golfweek.com/news/2012/jul/22/uc-...ord-women/
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
04-09-2015, 02:49 PM
(04-09-2015, 12:31 PM)StanfordMatt link Wrote:In addition to Jabari Parker, Justise Winslow was another recruit who visited campus. Winslow is likely one-and-done.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...se-winslow
Winslow just announced today he's going back to Duke. Good on him.
I don't want ANY one-and-dones. I see my conversation with Muir as an attempt to look everywhere but Dawkins to explain the underperformance of MBB. To our knowledge has he actually fired any coaches or are all the above-mentioned hires replacing a coach who left of their own volition?
(04-09-2015, 12:31 PM)StanfordMatt link Wrote:In addition to Jabari Parker, Justise Winslow was another recruit who visited campus. Winslow is likely one-and-done.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...se-winslow
Winslow just announced today he's going back to Duke. Good on him.
I don't want ANY one-and-dones. I see my conversation with Muir as an attempt to look everywhere but Dawkins to explain the underperformance of MBB. To our knowledge has he actually fired any coaches or are all the above-mentioned hires replacing a coach who left of their own volition?
04-09-2015, 03:30 PM
One might imagine that if Stanford was winning the recruits Dawkins has been getting would be one and dones too. The best way to keep them on campus might be to lose a lot and stunt their development so that they are never quite ready to go to the draft.
Is that what Muir meant? If yes, then Dawkins certainly is doing a great job.
The rest of the argument is flawed. Stanford has had freshmen of the year type players under Dawkins, but the longer they stay the less impressive they become. The Pac-12 has UCLA and UofA embracing the one and done thing, but several other programs are doing a much better job at developing talent through four years in their programs. Oh, and winning basketball games in conference play.
Not too worried about it because Dawkins will be our guy as long as Muir is around. And yet here is a thought. If Stanford had finished the season with any success, Stanford likely would have made the tournament almost certainly at UCLA's expense. UCLA might win the NACDA Directors' cup by 30-50 points. UCLA will get 64 points in MBB, and Stanford will get 0. Quite literally Dawkins (or Muir's loyalty to Dawkins) could be the difference.
Is that what Muir meant? If yes, then Dawkins certainly is doing a great job.
The rest of the argument is flawed. Stanford has had freshmen of the year type players under Dawkins, but the longer they stay the less impressive they become. The Pac-12 has UCLA and UofA embracing the one and done thing, but several other programs are doing a much better job at developing talent through four years in their programs. Oh, and winning basketball games in conference play.
Not too worried about it because Dawkins will be our guy as long as Muir is around. And yet here is a thought. If Stanford had finished the season with any success, Stanford likely would have made the tournament almost certainly at UCLA's expense. UCLA might win the NACDA Directors' cup by 30-50 points. UCLA will get 64 points in MBB, and Stanford will get 0. Quite literally Dawkins (or Muir's loyalty to Dawkins) could be the difference.
One might imagine that if Stanford was winning the recruits Dawkins has been getting would be one and dones too. The best way to keep them on campus might be to lose a lot and stunt their development so that they are never quite ready to go to the draft.
Is that what Muir meant? If yes, then Dawkins certainly is doing a great job.
The rest of the argument is flawed. Stanford has had freshmen of the year type players under Dawkins, but the longer they stay the less impressive they become. The Pac-12 has UCLA and UofA embracing the one and done thing, but several other programs are doing a much better job at developing talent through four years in their programs. Oh, and winning basketball games in conference play.
Not too worried about it because Dawkins will be our guy as long as Muir is around. And yet here is a thought. If Stanford had finished the season with any success, Stanford likely would have made the tournament almost certainly at UCLA's expense. UCLA might win the NACDA Directors' cup by 30-50 points. UCLA will get 64 points in MBB, and Stanford will get 0. Quite literally Dawkins (or Muir's loyalty to Dawkins) could be the difference.
Is that what Muir meant? If yes, then Dawkins certainly is doing a great job.
The rest of the argument is flawed. Stanford has had freshmen of the year type players under Dawkins, but the longer they stay the less impressive they become. The Pac-12 has UCLA and UofA embracing the one and done thing, but several other programs are doing a much better job at developing talent through four years in their programs. Oh, and winning basketball games in conference play.
Not too worried about it because Dawkins will be our guy as long as Muir is around. And yet here is a thought. If Stanford had finished the season with any success, Stanford likely would have made the tournament almost certainly at UCLA's expense. UCLA might win the NACDA Directors' cup by 30-50 points. UCLA will get 64 points in MBB, and Stanford will get 0. Quite literally Dawkins (or Muir's loyalty to Dawkins) could be the difference.
04-09-2015, 03:33 PM
(04-09-2015, 03:19 PM)garvin link Wrote:Is there really so much difference between a one-and-done and a two-and-done?
Not all that much, except that if you have a one-and-done whose season is done by, say, the end of winter quarter (such as basketball), you could do the absolute minimum for one quarter and then nothing at all for another quarter, and then leave for the paycheck. A kid who stays for two years has definitely had to put in some work, it seems to me.
Maybe the biggest hurdle to our getting OADs (assuming we're willing to say we want them) is getting the OAD to put in the time to fill out the application...
(04-09-2015, 03:19 PM)garvin link Wrote:Is there really so much difference between a one-and-done and a two-and-done?
Not all that much, except that if you have a one-and-done whose season is done by, say, the end of winter quarter (such as basketball), you could do the absolute minimum for one quarter and then nothing at all for another quarter, and then leave for the paycheck. A kid who stays for two years has definitely had to put in some work, it seems to me.
Maybe the biggest hurdle to our getting OADs (assuming we're willing to say we want them) is getting the OAD to put in the time to fill out the application...
04-09-2015, 04:06 PM
Fired or resign under pressure what's the diff?
Women's swim
Men's Tennis
Softball
Men's swim
Diving?
Former head SID
Women's swim
Men's Tennis
Softball
Men's swim
Diving?
Former head SID
04-09-2015, 04:29 PM
Will be interesting to see how the latest Coach K protege fairs in the Pac12
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...ing-rumors
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...ing-rumors
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W. Churchill
Will be interesting to see how the latest Coach K protege fairs in the Pac12
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...ing-rumors
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...ing-rumors
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W. Churchill
04-09-2015, 06:13 PM
Disappointing for sure. Btw I watched his tournament game and very calm nothing like his brother
04-09-2015, 07:53 PM
(04-09-2015, 06:03 PM)Publius link Wrote:Dawkins is a good recruiter and appears to be better at individual development than team development
What planet does this come from? IMnsHO Dawkins has been below average on individual development and has absolutely sucked on team development.
(04-09-2015, 06:03 PM)Publius link Wrote:Dawkins is a good recruiter and appears to be better at individual development than team development
What planet does this come from? IMnsHO Dawkins has been below average on individual development and has absolutely sucked on team development.
04-09-2015, 08:12 PM
Dawkins is OK in terms of developing individual skillsets. Nastic progressed a ton throughout his time in school. Not sure Brown or Randle progressed all that much. Powell the same. But I wouldn't say he's outright bad at it.
I agree with Publius that Dawkins's problems are in putting it all together and conceptualizing: OK, how do I take these ingredients and make a meal? Dawkins is a guy who shops at Wegmans for all his ingredients but doesn't really know how to cook.
I agree with Publius that Dawkins's problems are in putting it all together and conceptualizing: OK, how do I take these ingredients and make a meal? Dawkins is a guy who shops at Wegmans for all his ingredients but doesn't really know how to cook.
Dawkins is OK in terms of developing individual skillsets. Nastic progressed a ton throughout his time in school. Not sure Brown or Randle progressed all that much. Powell the same. But I wouldn't say he's outright bad at it.
I agree with Publius that Dawkins's problems are in putting it all together and conceptualizing: OK, how do I take these ingredients and make a meal? Dawkins is a guy who shops at Wegmans for all his ingredients but doesn't really know how to cook.
I agree with Publius that Dawkins's problems are in putting it all together and conceptualizing: OK, how do I take these ingredients and make a meal? Dawkins is a guy who shops at Wegmans for all his ingredients but doesn't really know how to cook.
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