registered sex offender piching for OSU BB
06-09-2017, 07:46 AM
OK barristers, aren't youth records supposed to be sealed? Is there an exception for sex offenses? And is there a time limit on registration?
06-09-2017, 08:25 AM
(06-09-2017, 07:46 AM)Phogge link Wrote:OK barristers, aren't youth records supposed to be sealed? Is there an exception for sex offenses? And is there a time limit on registration?
Most states' sex offender laws treat juvenile sex offenders as adults in some respects, which, among other things, means their records aren't automatically sealed at 18 unless requested and granted by a judge.
TBH, I'm not sure why this is a news story, and I really don't see what the point of posting it to the CardBoard is. He did the crime, he paid the time, and hopefully he can get on with his life. I don't see the value in having this here.
(06-09-2017, 07:46 AM)Phogge link Wrote:OK barristers, aren't youth records supposed to be sealed? Is there an exception for sex offenses? And is there a time limit on registration?
Most states' sex offender laws treat juvenile sex offenders as adults in some respects, which, among other things, means their records aren't automatically sealed at 18 unless requested and granted by a judge.
TBH, I'm not sure why this is a news story, and I really don't see what the point of posting it to the CardBoard is. He did the crime, he paid the time, and hopefully he can get on with his life. I don't see the value in having this here.
06-09-2017, 08:42 AM
(06-09-2017, 08:25 AM)2006alum link Wrote:[quote author=Phogge link=topic=16966.msg194607#msg194607 date=1497019582]
OK barristers, aren't youth records supposed to be sealed? Is there an exception for sex offenses? And is there a time limit on registration?
Most states' sex offender laws treat juvenile sex offenders as adults in some respects, which, among other things, means their records aren't automatically sealed at 18 unless requested and granted by a judge.
TBH, I'm not sure why this is a news story, and I really don't see what the point of posting it to the CardBoard is. He did the crime, he paid the time, and hopefully he can get on with his life. I don't see the value in having this here.
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Nor was there any reason for ESPN to be running this news on its bottom line ticker yesterday. I've read some horror stories about guys who weren't sexual predators but got caught for a technically illegal sexual act many young boys might also do, and then were forced to register as sex offenders. It's a life-ruining stigma in many ways. There are no legal prohibitions on the media reporting on the activities of adults, but it's quite shameful to go out of your way to embarrass someone like this to get clicks on a website. It's not like the reporting on this is somehow making the public safer, or the guy is in jeopardy of not being able to play his sport. So what purpose does publicizing this serve?
(06-09-2017, 08:25 AM)2006alum link Wrote:[quote author=Phogge link=topic=16966.msg194607#msg194607 date=1497019582]
OK barristers, aren't youth records supposed to be sealed? Is there an exception for sex offenses? And is there a time limit on registration?
Most states' sex offender laws treat juvenile sex offenders as adults in some respects, which, among other things, means their records aren't automatically sealed at 18 unless requested and granted by a judge.
TBH, I'm not sure why this is a news story, and I really don't see what the point of posting it to the CardBoard is. He did the crime, he paid the time, and hopefully he can get on with his life. I don't see the value in having this here.
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Nor was there any reason for ESPN to be running this news on its bottom line ticker yesterday. I've read some horror stories about guys who weren't sexual predators but got caught for a technically illegal sexual act many young boys might also do, and then were forced to register as sex offenders. It's a life-ruining stigma in many ways. There are no legal prohibitions on the media reporting on the activities of adults, but it's quite shameful to go out of your way to embarrass someone like this to get clicks on a website. It's not like the reporting on this is somehow making the public safer, or the guy is in jeopardy of not being able to play his sport. So what purpose does publicizing this serve?
06-09-2017, 08:45 AM
Why the records weren't sealed:
Excerpted from this article, which is worth reading:
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index....y_abo.html
The real issue seems to be whether OSU was even at all aware of this.
Quote:Most juvenile cases are kept sealed. But Washington considers the type of crime Heimlich committed to be so serious that the records are not confidential for juvenile offenders.
Excerpted from this article, which is worth reading:
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index....y_abo.html
The real issue seems to be whether OSU was even at all aware of this.
Why the records weren't sealed:
Excerpted from this article, which is worth reading:
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index....y_abo.html
The real issue seems to be whether OSU was even at all aware of this.
Quote:Most juvenile cases are kept sealed. But Washington considers the type of crime Heimlich committed to be so serious that the records are not confidential for juvenile offenders.
Excerpted from this article, which is worth reading:
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index....y_abo.html
The real issue seems to be whether OSU was even at all aware of this.
06-09-2017, 09:42 AM
(06-09-2017, 08:25 AM)2006alum link Wrote:[quote author=Phogge link=topic=16966.msg194607#msg194607 date=1497019582]
OK barristers, aren't youth records supposed to be sealed? Is there an exception for sex offenses? And is there a time limit on registration?
Most states' sex offender laws treat juvenile sex offenders as adults in some respects, which, among other things, means their records aren't automatically sealed at 18 unless requested and granted by a judge.
TBH, I'm not sure why this is a news story, and I really don't see what the point of posting it to the CardBoard is. He did the crime, he paid the time, and hopefully he can get on with his life. I don't see the value in having this here.
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The question is whether his then six year old victim has been able to get on with her life. She was SIX!
BC
(06-09-2017, 08:25 AM)2006alum link Wrote:[quote author=Phogge link=topic=16966.msg194607#msg194607 date=1497019582]
OK barristers, aren't youth records supposed to be sealed? Is there an exception for sex offenses? And is there a time limit on registration?
Most states' sex offender laws treat juvenile sex offenders as adults in some respects, which, among other things, means their records aren't automatically sealed at 18 unless requested and granted by a judge.
TBH, I'm not sure why this is a news story, and I really don't see what the point of posting it to the CardBoard is. He did the crime, he paid the time, and hopefully he can get on with his life. I don't see the value in having this here.
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The question is whether his then six year old victim has been able to get on with her life. She was SIX!
BC
06-09-2017, 11:13 AM
The initial incident occurred when the victim (family member of the athlete--!!) was four years old. The final incident occurred when the victim was six. I suspect the worst part of the damage may happen later as the child reaches puberty and becomes more fully aware of what happened to her. She is currently 11 years old and has been ostracized from family events as most of the family has sided with the athlete. I would say she continues to suffer from this if only through that.
The initial incident occurred when the victim (family member of the athlete--!!) was four years old. The final incident occurred when the victim was six. I suspect the worst part of the damage may happen later as the child reaches puberty and becomes more fully aware of what happened to her. She is currently 11 years old and has been ostracized from family events as most of the family has sided with the athlete. I would say she continues to suffer from this if only through that.
06-09-2017, 11:25 AM
(06-09-2017, 08:42 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:[quote author=2006alum link=topic=16966.msg194608#msg194608 date=1497021954]
[quote author=Phogge link=topic=16966.msg194607#msg194607 date=1497019582]
OK barristers, aren't youth records supposed to be sealed? Is there an exception for sex offenses? And is there a time limit on registration?
Most states' sex offender laws treat juvenile sex offenders as adults in some respects, which, among other things, means their records aren't automatically sealed at 18 unless requested and granted by a judge.
TBH, I'm not sure why this is a news story, and I really don't see what the point of posting it to the CardBoard is. He did the crime, he paid the time, and hopefully he can get on with his life. I don't see the value in having this here.
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Nor was there any reason for ESPN to be running this news on its bottom line ticker yesterday. I've read some horror stories about guys who weren't sexual predators but got caught for a technically illegal sexual act many young boys might also do, and then were forced to register as sex offenders. It's a life-ruining stigma in many ways. There are no legal prohibitions on the media reporting on the activities of adults, but it's quite shameful to go out of your way to embarrass someone like this to get clicks on a website. It's not like the reporting on this is somehow making the public safer, or the guy is in jeopardy of not being able to play his sport. So what purpose does publicizing this serve?
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From the article two comments of interest:
Our society decided long ago that sex offenders should carry the burden of their conviction well after their sentences end - and that juvenile sex crimes should follow offenders into adulthood.
and
"Others may argue that mistakes made by a minor should be forgiven, considering that studies show juvenile sex offenders rarely commit additional sex crimes after sentencing."Â
The juxtaposition of those comments are interesting. My understanding had always been that the opposite was true. And not that I'm complaining, I think personalities are formed young, and I'd add violent offenders to the list as well.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(06-09-2017, 08:42 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:[quote author=2006alum link=topic=16966.msg194608#msg194608 date=1497021954]
[quote author=Phogge link=topic=16966.msg194607#msg194607 date=1497019582]
OK barristers, aren't youth records supposed to be sealed? Is there an exception for sex offenses? And is there a time limit on registration?
Most states' sex offender laws treat juvenile sex offenders as adults in some respects, which, among other things, means their records aren't automatically sealed at 18 unless requested and granted by a judge.
TBH, I'm not sure why this is a news story, and I really don't see what the point of posting it to the CardBoard is. He did the crime, he paid the time, and hopefully he can get on with his life. I don't see the value in having this here.
[/quote]
Nor was there any reason for ESPN to be running this news on its bottom line ticker yesterday. I've read some horror stories about guys who weren't sexual predators but got caught for a technically illegal sexual act many young boys might also do, and then were forced to register as sex offenders. It's a life-ruining stigma in many ways. There are no legal prohibitions on the media reporting on the activities of adults, but it's quite shameful to go out of your way to embarrass someone like this to get clicks on a website. It's not like the reporting on this is somehow making the public safer, or the guy is in jeopardy of not being able to play his sport. So what purpose does publicizing this serve?
[/quote]
From the article two comments of interest:
Our society decided long ago that sex offenders should carry the burden of their conviction well after their sentences end - and that juvenile sex crimes should follow offenders into adulthood.
and
"Others may argue that mistakes made by a minor should be forgiven, considering that studies show juvenile sex offenders rarely commit additional sex crimes after sentencing."Â
The juxtaposition of those comments are interesting. My understanding had always been that the opposite was true. And not that I'm complaining, I think personalities are formed young, and I'd add violent offenders to the list as well.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
06-09-2017, 11:26 AM
(06-09-2017, 11:13 AM)fullmetal link Wrote:The initial incident occurred when the victim (family member of the athlete--!!) was four years old. The final incident occurred when the victim was six. I suspect the worst part of the damage may happen later as the child reaches puberty and becomes more fully aware of what happened to her. She is currently 11 years old and has been ostracized from family events as most of the family has sided with the athlete. I would say she continues to suffer from this if only through that.
Well if that's true then ***** this guy, I hope he gets thrown into the sun. Why do people suck so much?
(06-09-2017, 11:13 AM)fullmetal link Wrote:The initial incident occurred when the victim (family member of the athlete--!!) was four years old. The final incident occurred when the victim was six. I suspect the worst part of the damage may happen later as the child reaches puberty and becomes more fully aware of what happened to her. She is currently 11 years old and has been ostracized from family events as most of the family has sided with the athlete. I would say she continues to suffer from this if only through that.
Well if that's true then ***** this guy, I hope he gets thrown into the sun. Why do people suck so much?
06-09-2017, 11:54 AM
(06-09-2017, 11:26 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=fullmetal link=topic=16966.msg194625#msg194625 date=1497031981]
She is currently 11 years old and has been ostracized from family events as most of the family has sided with the athlete. I would say she continues to suffer from this if only through that.
Well if that's true then copulate this guy, I hope he gets thrown into the sun. Why do people suck so much?
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If it is true that most of the family (or any of the family, for that matter) sided with the athlete, there is more than one person in this situation that "sucks so much". Hard to imagine, but we have seen similar in the Brock Turner case. Then again, in that case, the victim wasn't "family". Perhaps this case is even worse??
(06-09-2017, 11:26 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=fullmetal link=topic=16966.msg194625#msg194625 date=1497031981]
She is currently 11 years old and has been ostracized from family events as most of the family has sided with the athlete. I would say she continues to suffer from this if only through that.
Well if that's true then copulate this guy, I hope he gets thrown into the sun. Why do people suck so much?
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If it is true that most of the family (or any of the family, for that matter) sided with the athlete, there is more than one person in this situation that "sucks so much". Hard to imagine, but we have seen similar in the Brock Turner case. Then again, in that case, the victim wasn't "family". Perhaps this case is even worse??
06-09-2017, 01:10 PM
(06-09-2017, 11:54 AM)Goose link Wrote:If it is true that most of the family (or any of the family, for that matter) sided with the athlete, there is more than one person in this situation that "sucks so much". Hard to imagine, but we have seen similar in the Brock Turner case. Then again, in that case, the victim wasn't "family". Perhaps this case is even worse??
Oh, yes, the family that sides against an abused child also should be thrown into the sun.
(06-09-2017, 11:54 AM)Goose link Wrote:If it is true that most of the family (or any of the family, for that matter) sided with the athlete, there is more than one person in this situation that "sucks so much". Hard to imagine, but we have seen similar in the Brock Turner case. Then again, in that case, the victim wasn't "family". Perhaps this case is even worse??
Oh, yes, the family that sides against an abused child also should be thrown into the sun.
06-09-2017, 03:38 PM
It happens often. Families want to keep the secrets in the dark and hide the shame. It is a terrible, terrible deal with the devil.
(06-09-2017, 08:25 AM)2006alum link Wrote:[quote author=Phogge link=topic=16966.msg194607#msg194607 date=1497019582]
OK barristers, aren't youth records supposed to be sealed? Is there an exception for sex offenses? And is there a time limit on registration?
Most states' sex offender laws treat juvenile sex offenders as adults in some respects, which, among other things, means their records aren't automatically sealed at 18 unless requested and granted by a judge.
TBH, I'm not sure why this is a news story, and I really don't see what the point of posting it to the CardBoard is. He did the crime, he paid the time, and hopefully he can get on with his life. I don't see the value in having this here.
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1. First I think others have brought up this was a particularly serious crime that occurred repeatedly over a substantial period of time. It does not sound like an honest one time mistake type of crime.
2. I think there is a broad issue in college sports today about college athletic programs and sexual harassment or sex-related crimes (Brock Turner, Duke lacrosse, Penn State) and whether universities are doing a good enough job protecting students. And regardless of whether the student is an athlete or not, sexual assault on campuses is a major current issue. I've known people who have have made mistakes related to hot current news story or topic, and they then get much more media attention. It sucks and it seems unfair but if someone commits a crime related to a current hot topic, they're going to get more attention.
3. We generally bring up any bad news for other sports programs. Whether fake dead girlfriends, coaching drama, coaching substance abuse,... etc. Should we instead talk about all bad news for other sports programs except for sex crimes?
4. And this is a little bit of a technicality. But if he failed to register recently, that's not something in the past that he has done his time for.
(This post was last modified: 06-10-2017, 06:21 AM by Snorlax94.)
(06-09-2017, 08:25 AM)2006alum link Wrote:[quote author=Phogge link=topic=16966.msg194607#msg194607 date=1497019582]
OK barristers, aren't youth records supposed to be sealed? Is there an exception for sex offenses? And is there a time limit on registration?
Most states' sex offender laws treat juvenile sex offenders as adults in some respects, which, among other things, means their records aren't automatically sealed at 18 unless requested and granted by a judge.
TBH, I'm not sure why this is a news story, and I really don't see what the point of posting it to the CardBoard is. He did the crime, he paid the time, and hopefully he can get on with his life. I don't see the value in having this here.
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1. First I think others have brought up this was a particularly serious crime that occurred repeatedly over a substantial period of time. It does not sound like an honest one time mistake type of crime.
2. I think there is a broad issue in college sports today about college athletic programs and sexual harassment or sex-related crimes (Brock Turner, Duke lacrosse, Penn State) and whether universities are doing a good enough job protecting students. And regardless of whether the student is an athlete or not, sexual assault on campuses is a major current issue. I've known people who have have made mistakes related to hot current news story or topic, and they then get much more media attention. It sucks and it seems unfair but if someone commits a crime related to a current hot topic, they're going to get more attention.
3. We generally bring up any bad news for other sports programs. Whether fake dead girlfriends, coaching drama, coaching substance abuse,... etc. Should we instead talk about all bad news for other sports programs except for sex crimes?
4. And this is a little bit of a technicality. But if he failed to register recently, that's not something in the past that he has done his time for.
06-10-2017, 07:32 AM
Seems like he should have known that there may be a legal requirement to register in various jurisdictions.
06-10-2017, 04:59 PM
I thought the accuser in the duke lacrosse saga recanted, and the assault never happened. There are plenty of real cases (in Baylor alone); we don't need to add one that has since been disproven.
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I thought the accuser in the duke lacrosse saga recanted, and the assault never happened. There are plenty of real cases (in Baylor alone); we don't need to add one that has since been disproven.
BC
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06-10-2017, 07:38 PM
Yes, I could've clarified on the Duke lacrosse one. I was not referring to criminal guilt, but rather the sickening culture shared by many team members that the investigation revealed, somewhat like the Harvard soccer case. So I could have been more clear that I was referring to that, not criminal guilt.
Even if they were not guilty of a crime, would anyone want their daughter or niece going to one of their parties?
Even if they were not guilty of a crime, would anyone want their daughter or niece going to one of their parties?
Yes, I could've clarified on the Duke lacrosse one. I was not referring to criminal guilt, but rather the sickening culture shared by many team members that the investigation revealed, somewhat like the Harvard soccer case. So I could have been more clear that I was referring to that, not criminal guilt.
Even if they were not guilty of a crime, would anyone want their daughter or niece going to one of their parties?
Even if they were not guilty of a crime, would anyone want their daughter or niece going to one of their parties?
06-15-2017, 03:36 PM
The player will not join his team in Omaha.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/baseb...te-beavers
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/baseb...te-beavers
06-16-2017, 08:56 AM
Seems to be handling this as well as he can over the last couple of weeks. What a sad situation :(
02-17-2018, 07:06 PM
Not trying to stir the pot here, but since this topic was discussed, I thought I'd post the follow-up.
http://www.yahoo.com/sports/oregon-state...19143.html
Quote:Less than nine months after learning that pitcher Luke Heimlich was a registered sex offender in the state of Washington, Oregon State handed the ball to the left-hander in Fridays season-opening win against New Mexico.
It was the first time Heimlich had pitched in a game since last June, when he removed himself from Oregon States College World Series bound team to avoid becoming a distraction. That came just days after The Oregonian discovered that Heimlich had pleaded guilty to molesting a 6-year-old female family member when he was 15.
http://www.yahoo.com/sports/oregon-state...19143.html
Not trying to stir the pot here, but since this topic was discussed, I thought I'd post the follow-up.
http://www.yahoo.com/sports/oregon-state...19143.html
Quote:Less than nine months after learning that pitcher Luke Heimlich was a registered sex offender in the state of Washington, Oregon State handed the ball to the left-hander in Fridays season-opening win against New Mexico.
It was the first time Heimlich had pitched in a game since last June, when he removed himself from Oregon States College World Series bound team to avoid becoming a distraction. That came just days after The Oregonian discovered that Heimlich had pleaded guilty to molesting a 6-year-old female family member when he was 15.
http://www.yahoo.com/sports/oregon-state...19143.html
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