03-18-2018, 11:39 PM
#2)Â Most career at-bats without a home run (yes, dead ball era):
Wee Willie (Hit 'Em Where They Ain't) Keeler; ~8,500 ABs?
Wee Willie (Hit 'Em Where They Ain't) Keeler; ~8,500 ABs?
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#2)Â Most career at-bats without a home run (yes, dead ball era):
Wee Willie (Hit 'Em Where They Ain't) Keeler; ~8,500 ABs?
Wee Willie (Hit 'Em Where They Ain't) Keeler; ~8,500 ABs?
03-19-2018, 05:01 AM
(03-18-2018, 09:36 PM)JJJ link Wrote: [quote author=Mick link=topic=18886.msg226199#msg226199 date=1521417517]I had never heard of this guy (sorry, before my time) but these stats are mind-boggling! How do you lead the league five times in saves while leading in innings pitched four times? Did he pitch every other day? Amazing.
Lowest ERA, Ed Walsh, 1.82. Also has lowest career "FIP" which measures ability of pitcher to eliminate walks, home runs, hit by pitch and maximize strikeouts. Effective between 1906 and 1912. Won 40 games in 1908 in 49 starts, 464 IP. During that span, led the league in strikeouts twice, shutouts three times, saves five times, innings pitched four times, hits allowed twice, ERA twice, losses once (went 18-20 in 1910). Threw a great spitball. Lowest career WHIP by any pitcher who pitched at least 10 years and second lowest career MLB WHIP ever.
Member of Hall of Fame, but voted in by Old Timer Committee, because apparently lowest career ERA and WHIP isn't enough to get in by a straight vote of the sportswriters.
P.S. what do sportswriters know (except for our very own BobK and Hank?) :P
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During that time period, Walsh pitched about every third day. His annual average over the key six years was 38 starts, 32 complete games, 13 other games, 5 saves and a 24-16 record with a 1.71 ERA.
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(03-18-2018, 09:36 PM)JJJ link Wrote: [quote author=Mick link=topic=18886.msg226199#msg226199 date=1521417517]I had never heard of this guy (sorry, before my time) but these stats are mind-boggling! How do you lead the league five times in saves while leading in innings pitched four times? Did he pitch every other day? Amazing.
Lowest ERA, Ed Walsh, 1.82. Also has lowest career "FIP" which measures ability of pitcher to eliminate walks, home runs, hit by pitch and maximize strikeouts. Effective between 1906 and 1912. Won 40 games in 1908 in 49 starts, 464 IP. During that span, led the league in strikeouts twice, shutouts three times, saves five times, innings pitched four times, hits allowed twice, ERA twice, losses once (went 18-20 in 1910). Threw a great spitball. Lowest career WHIP by any pitcher who pitched at least 10 years and second lowest career MLB WHIP ever.
Member of Hall of Fame, but voted in by Old Timer Committee, because apparently lowest career ERA and WHIP isn't enough to get in by a straight vote of the sportswriters.
P.S. what do sportswriters know (except for our very own BobK and Hank?) :P
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During that time period, Walsh pitched about every third day. His annual average over the key six years was 38 starts, 32 complete games, 13 other games, 5 saves and a 24-16 record with a 1.71 ERA.
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03-19-2018, 05:10 AM
(03-18-2018, 10:25 PM)wallendar link Wrote: No. 8 -Â Nolan Ryan?
Really good guess. Nolan Ryan is #2 on the list with 277 wild pitches in his career that spanned almost 6,000 innings pitched. The winner is Tony Mullane, pitched from 1881-1894 with 343 wild pitches, and a career-high of 63 wild pitches in 1884. Like Ryan, he walked A LOT of players.
Mullane was considered a good pitcher, though. He finished with a career 284-220 record and a 3.05 ERA, having thrown 4,500 innings. He won 30+ games five times in his career. He also lost 22+ games five times. He gave up 1,400 walks and struck out 1,800.
Here's the really funny thing. For almost Mullane's entire career, the pitching distance was 50 feet. It didn't become 60'6" until 1893 and Mullane's ERA ballooned from 2.59 to 4.44. It didn't hurt Mullane's strikeouts much -- he only went from 109 to 90 -- but his walks increased from 127 to 189. He was out of the game one year later.
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(03-18-2018, 10:25 PM)wallendar link Wrote: No. 8 -Â Nolan Ryan?
Really good guess. Nolan Ryan is #2 on the list with 277 wild pitches in his career that spanned almost 6,000 innings pitched. The winner is Tony Mullane, pitched from 1881-1894 with 343 wild pitches, and a career-high of 63 wild pitches in 1884. Like Ryan, he walked A LOT of players.
Mullane was considered a good pitcher, though. He finished with a career 284-220 record and a 3.05 ERA, having thrown 4,500 innings. He won 30+ games five times in his career. He also lost 22+ games five times. He gave up 1,400 walks and struck out 1,800.
Here's the really funny thing. For almost Mullane's entire career, the pitching distance was 50 feet. It didn't become 60'6" until 1893 and Mullane's ERA ballooned from 2.59 to 4.44. It didn't hurt Mullane's strikeouts much -- he only went from 109 to 90 -- but his walks increased from 127 to 189. He was out of the game one year later.
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03-19-2018, 05:17 AM
(03-18-2018, 11:39 PM)FarmDad.01 link Wrote: #2)Â Most career at-bats without a home run (yes, dead ball era):
Wee Willie (Hit 'Em Where They Ain't) Keeler; ~8,500 ABs?
Dead ball era, for sure. 200-pound Catcher William Holbert had 2,335 at bats in 13 seasons and didn't hit a single home run. He was a .208 hitter for six teams in twelve years as a backup catcher. "Wee Willie" Keeler was just 5'4" and 140 pounds, but he hit 33 home runs in his career.
You have to give honorable mention to Giants announcer Duane Kuiper who only hit one home run in 3,259 at bats during the live ball era.Â
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(03-18-2018, 11:39 PM)FarmDad.01 link Wrote: #2)Â Most career at-bats without a home run (yes, dead ball era):
Wee Willie (Hit 'Em Where They Ain't) Keeler; ~8,500 ABs?
Dead ball era, for sure. 200-pound Catcher William Holbert had 2,335 at bats in 13 seasons and didn't hit a single home run. He was a .208 hitter for six teams in twelve years as a backup catcher. "Wee Willie" Keeler was just 5'4" and 140 pounds, but he hit 33 home runs in his career.
You have to give honorable mention to Giants announcer Duane Kuiper who only hit one home run in 3,259 at bats during the live ball era.Â
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03-19-2018, 05:19 AM
There's only four left, most are pretty obscure, so I've listed all the answers on the first page.
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03-19-2018, 09:11 AM
Really good stuff, Mick.
Im totally amazed they kept detailed stats (including wild pitches) back in 1881! To put things in perspective, the gunfight at the OK Corral was in October 1881. Which presumably was after the season.
Really good guess. Nolan Ryan is #2 on the list with 277 wild pitches in his career that spanned almost 6,000 innings pitched. The winner is Tony Mullane, pitched from 1881-1894 with 343 wild pitches, and a career-high of 63 wild pitches in 1884. Like Ryan, he walked A LOT of players.
Mullane was considered a good pitcher, though. He finished with a career 284-220 record and a 3.05 ERA, having thrown 4,500 innings. He won 30+ games five times in his career. He also lost 22+ games five times. He gave up 1,400 walks and struck out 1,800.
Here's the really funny thing. For almost Mullane's entire career, the pitching distance was 50 feet. It didn't become 60'6" until 1893 and Mullane's ERA ballooned from 2.59 to 4.44. It didn't hurt Mullane's strikeouts much -- he only went from 109 to 90 -- but his walks increased from 127 to 189. He was out of the game one year later.
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Im totally amazed they kept detailed stats (including wild pitches) back in 1881! To put things in perspective, the gunfight at the OK Corral was in October 1881. Which presumably was after the season.
(03-19-2018, 05:10 AM)Mick link Wrote: [quote author=wallendar link=topic=18886.msg226240#msg226240 date=1521437144]
No. 8 -Â Nolan Ryan?
Really good guess. Nolan Ryan is #2 on the list with 277 wild pitches in his career that spanned almost 6,000 innings pitched. The winner is Tony Mullane, pitched from 1881-1894 with 343 wild pitches, and a career-high of 63 wild pitches in 1884. Like Ryan, he walked A LOT of players.
Mullane was considered a good pitcher, though. He finished with a career 284-220 record and a 3.05 ERA, having thrown 4,500 innings. He won 30+ games five times in his career. He also lost 22+ games five times. He gave up 1,400 walks and struck out 1,800.
Here's the really funny thing. For almost Mullane's entire career, the pitching distance was 50 feet. It didn't become 60'6" until 1893 and Mullane's ERA ballooned from 2.59 to 4.44. It didn't hurt Mullane's strikeouts much -- he only went from 109 to 90 -- but his walks increased from 127 to 189. He was out of the game one year later.
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Really good stuff, Mick.
Im totally amazed they kept detailed stats (including wild pitches) back in 1881! To put things in perspective, the gunfight at the OK Corral was in October 1881. Which presumably was after the season.
Really good guess. Nolan Ryan is #2 on the list with 277 wild pitches in his career that spanned almost 6,000 innings pitched. The winner is Tony Mullane, pitched from 1881-1894 with 343 wild pitches, and a career-high of 63 wild pitches in 1884. Like Ryan, he walked A LOT of players.
Mullane was considered a good pitcher, though. He finished with a career 284-220 record and a 3.05 ERA, having thrown 4,500 innings. He won 30+ games five times in his career. He also lost 22+ games five times. He gave up 1,400 walks and struck out 1,800.
Here's the really funny thing. For almost Mullane's entire career, the pitching distance was 50 feet. It didn't become 60'6" until 1893 and Mullane's ERA ballooned from 2.59 to 4.44. It didn't hurt Mullane's strikeouts much -- he only went from 109 to 90 -- but his walks increased from 127 to 189. He was out of the game one year later.
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Im totally amazed they kept detailed stats (including wild pitches) back in 1881! To put things in perspective, the gunfight at the OK Corral was in October 1881. Which presumably was after the season.
(03-19-2018, 05:10 AM)Mick link Wrote: [quote author=wallendar link=topic=18886.msg226240#msg226240 date=1521437144]
No. 8 -Â Nolan Ryan?
Really good guess. Nolan Ryan is #2 on the list with 277 wild pitches in his career that spanned almost 6,000 innings pitched. The winner is Tony Mullane, pitched from 1881-1894 with 343 wild pitches, and a career-high of 63 wild pitches in 1884. Like Ryan, he walked A LOT of players.
Mullane was considered a good pitcher, though. He finished with a career 284-220 record and a 3.05 ERA, having thrown 4,500 innings. He won 30+ games five times in his career. He also lost 22+ games five times. He gave up 1,400 walks and struck out 1,800.
Here's the really funny thing. For almost Mullane's entire career, the pitching distance was 50 feet. It didn't become 60'6" until 1893 and Mullane's ERA ballooned from 2.59 to 4.44. It didn't hurt Mullane's strikeouts much -- he only went from 109 to 90 -- but his walks increased from 127 to 189. He was out of the game one year later.
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03-19-2018, 09:46 AM
The McLaury Brothers couldnt go to their left, Holliday had a scatter gun and Ike Clayton chickened out because he wouldnt face Wyatts high hard one, a long barreled Colt.
It was like Murderers Row going up against Ron Herbal.
It was like Murderers Row going up against Ron Herbal.
03-19-2018, 10:22 AM
If there was ever a stat for wild pitches and the inverse of HBP per throw, the winner had to be Ryne Duren.
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03-20-2018, 10:53 AM
(03-19-2018, 05:17 AM)Mick link Wrote: You have to give honorable mention to Giants announcer Duane Kuiper who only hit one home run in 3,259 at bats during the live ball era.
Kuiper famously hit only one home run in his MLB career, which barely cleared the right field fence.
However, back when Stanford would play an exhibition game in the spring against the Giants, I witnessed Kuiper smash a homer at Sunken Diamond.
(03-19-2018, 05:17 AM)Mick link Wrote: You have to give honorable mention to Giants announcer Duane Kuiper who only hit one home run in 3,259 at bats during the live ball era.
Kuiper famously hit only one home run in his MLB career, which barely cleared the right field fence.
However, back when Stanford would play an exhibition game in the spring against the Giants, I witnessed Kuiper smash a homer at Sunken Diamond.
03-20-2018, 11:10 AM
(03-20-2018, 10:53 AM)DC 86 link Wrote: [quote author=Mick link=topic=18886.msg226249#msg226249 date=1521461874]
You have to give honorable mention to Giants announcer Duane Kuiper who only hit one home run in 3,259 at bats during the live ball era.
Kuiper famously hit only one home run in his MLB career, which barely cleared the right field fence.
However, back when Stanford would play an exhibition game in the spring against the Giants, I witnessed Kuiper smash a homer at Sunken Diamond.
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He hit seven HRs in the minors. So he knew where the ball was supposed to go...
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(03-20-2018, 10:53 AM)DC 86 link Wrote: [quote author=Mick link=topic=18886.msg226249#msg226249 date=1521461874]
You have to give honorable mention to Giants announcer Duane Kuiper who only hit one home run in 3,259 at bats during the live ball era.
Kuiper famously hit only one home run in his MLB career, which barely cleared the right field fence.
However, back when Stanford would play an exhibition game in the spring against the Giants, I witnessed Kuiper smash a homer at Sunken Diamond.
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He hit seven HRs in the minors. So he knew where the ball was supposed to go...
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03-20-2018, 11:22 AM
What non-career baseball record is least likely ever to be broken?
(I've seen the argument for Dimaggio's streak, but this record seems safer to me. No one has come close to it.)
(I've seen the argument for Dimaggio's streak, but this record seems safer to me. No one has come close to it.)
03-20-2018, 02:08 PM
(03-20-2018, 11:22 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote: What non-career baseball record is least likely ever to be broken?
(I've seen the argument for Dimaggio's streak, but this record seems safer to me. No one has come close to it.)
A few possibilities come to mind:
*Â Sam Crawford had 12 inside-the-park home runs in 1901.
*Â Ed Walsh won 40 games in a season.
*Â Hack Wilson 191 RBIs in 1930.
*Â Ted Williams hit .406 in 1941.
*Â Johnny Mize hit 51 HRs, and struck out just 47 times.
*Â Mariano Rivera, 652 saves.Â
*Â Johnny Vander Meer's two consecutive no-hitters.
*Â Chief Wilson, 36 Triples in one year.
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(03-20-2018, 11:22 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote: What non-career baseball record is least likely ever to be broken?
(I've seen the argument for Dimaggio's streak, but this record seems safer to me. No one has come close to it.)
A few possibilities come to mind:
*Â Sam Crawford had 12 inside-the-park home runs in 1901.
*Â Ed Walsh won 40 games in a season.
*Â Hack Wilson 191 RBIs in 1930.
*Â Ted Williams hit .406 in 1941.
*Â Johnny Mize hit 51 HRs, and struck out just 47 times.
*Â Mariano Rivera, 652 saves.Â
*Â Johnny Vander Meer's two consecutive no-hitters.
*Â Chief Wilson, 36 Triples in one year.
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03-20-2018, 02:26 PM
(03-19-2018, 05:01 AM)Mick link Wrote: [quote author=JJJ link=topic=18886.msg226235#msg226235 date=1521434189]I had never heard of this guy (sorry, before my time) but these stats are mind-boggling! How do you lead the league five times in saves while leading in innings pitched four times? Did he pitch every other day? Amazing.
[quote author=Mick link=topic=18886.msg226199#msg226199 date=1521417517]
Lowest ERA, Ed Walsh, 1.82. Also has lowest career "FIP" which measures ability of pitcher to eliminate walks, home runs, hit by pitch and maximize strikeouts. Effective between 1906 and 1912. Won 40 games in 1908 in 49 starts, 464 IP. During that span, led the league in strikeouts twice, shutouts three times, saves five times, innings pitched four times, hits allowed twice, ERA twice, losses once (went 18-20 in 1910). Threw a great spitball. Lowest career WHIP by any pitcher who pitched at least 10 years and second lowest career MLB WHIP ever.
Member of Hall of Fame, but voted in by Old Timer Committee, because apparently lowest career ERA and WHIP isn't enough to get in by a straight vote of the sportswriters.
P.S. what do sportswriters know (except for our very own BobK and Hank?) :P
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During that time period, Walsh pitched about every third day. His annual average over the key six years was 38 starts, 32 complete games, 13 other games, 5 saves and a 24-16 record with a 1.71 ERA.
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WOW. Just WOW. Thanks for sharing.
(03-19-2018, 05:01 AM)Mick link Wrote: [quote author=JJJ link=topic=18886.msg226235#msg226235 date=1521434189]I had never heard of this guy (sorry, before my time) but these stats are mind-boggling! How do you lead the league five times in saves while leading in innings pitched four times? Did he pitch every other day? Amazing.
[quote author=Mick link=topic=18886.msg226199#msg226199 date=1521417517]
Lowest ERA, Ed Walsh, 1.82. Also has lowest career "FIP" which measures ability of pitcher to eliminate walks, home runs, hit by pitch and maximize strikeouts. Effective between 1906 and 1912. Won 40 games in 1908 in 49 starts, 464 IP. During that span, led the league in strikeouts twice, shutouts three times, saves five times, innings pitched four times, hits allowed twice, ERA twice, losses once (went 18-20 in 1910). Threw a great spitball. Lowest career WHIP by any pitcher who pitched at least 10 years and second lowest career MLB WHIP ever.
Member of Hall of Fame, but voted in by Old Timer Committee, because apparently lowest career ERA and WHIP isn't enough to get in by a straight vote of the sportswriters.
P.S. what do sportswriters know (except for our very own BobK and Hank?) :P
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During that time period, Walsh pitched about every third day. His annual average over the key six years was 38 starts, 32 complete games, 13 other games, 5 saves and a 24-16 record with a 1.71 ERA.
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WOW. Just WOW. Thanks for sharing.
03-20-2018, 02:28 PM
Unsolicited Question 14: Who was the only MLB player to pinch-hit for Ted Williams?
Unsolicited Question 14: Who was the only MLB player to pinch-hit for Ted Williams?
03-20-2018, 04:38 PM
(03-20-2018, 02:28 PM)FarmDad.01 link Wrote: Unsolicited Question 14: Who was the only MLB player to pinch-hit for Ted Williams?
I'm guessing that it was the day where Ted let a ball from Yogi Berra fly over his head landing between him and the green monster. He spitted at the crowd and got a $5,000 fine (biggest in those days). I was there but can't remember who pinch hit for him. Maybe Gene Stephens?
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(03-20-2018, 02:28 PM)FarmDad.01 link Wrote: Unsolicited Question 14: Who was the only MLB player to pinch-hit for Ted Williams?
I'm guessing that it was the day where Ted let a ball from Yogi Berra fly over his head landing between him and the green monster. He spitted at the crowd and got a $5,000 fine (biggest in those days). I was there but can't remember who pinch hit for him. Maybe Gene Stephens?
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George Box
03-20-2018, 05:00 PM
Stymie: An esoteric question -- If a player is ejected (as it sounds like Ted was), is his substitute technically a "pinch hitter"?
Anyway, here's the correct answer for anyone who cares to peek: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/31/...owe-nest31
Anyway, here's the correct answer for anyone who cares to peek: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/31/...owe-nest31
Stymie: An esoteric question -- If a player is ejected (as it sounds like Ted was), is his substitute technically a "pinch hitter"?
Anyway, here's the correct answer for anyone who cares to peek: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/31/...owe-nest31
Anyway, here's the correct answer for anyone who cares to peek: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/31/...owe-nest31
03-20-2018, 05:27 PM
Im not going to look at the answer but instead say former 49er Carroll Hardy
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