(10-06-2018, 10:32 PM)JPR36 Wrote:(10-06-2018, 10:28 PM)martyup Wrote: Turnovers 4-0. Fukc me.
LOSING SUCKS!! Let's hope this team doesn't make a habit of it. Good night Cardboard.
Believe it or not we actually outgained and got more first downs than the Utes.
(10-06-2018, 10:33 PM)Orange Mark Wrote: Defensive line and secondary and spectacularly subpar.
How of them would have started between ‘10-‘16?
(10-06-2018, 10:32 PM)JPR36 Wrote:(10-06-2018, 10:28 PM)martyup Wrote: Turnovers 4-0. Fukc me.
LOSING SUCKS!! Let's hope this team doesn't make a habit of it. Good night Cardboard.
Believe it or not we actually outgained and got more first downs than the Utes.
(10-06-2018, 10:33 PM)Orange Mark Wrote: Defensive line and secondary and spectacularly subpar.
How of them would have started between ‘10-‘16?
(10-06-2018, 11:15 PM)winflop Wrote: Well that was positively awful - on too many dimensions to describe right now. I'm tired, I'm thoroughly pissed off, and I'm really glad I don't have to watch this team next Saturday.My sentiments exactly. I need a Bye to flush my mind of Stanford football and any expectations I had for this season.
(10-06-2018, 11:15 PM)winflop Wrote: Well that was positively awful - on too many dimensions to describe right now. I'm tired, I'm thoroughly pissed off, and I'm really glad I don't have to watch this team next Saturday.My sentiments exactly. I need a Bye to flush my mind of Stanford football and any expectations I had for this season.
(10-06-2018, 11:26 PM)SF_Cardinal_Fan Wrote: I just returned home from Stanford's away game against Utah at Stanford Stadium.
(10-06-2018, 11:26 PM)SF_Cardinal_Fan Wrote: I just returned home from Stanford's away game against Utah at Stanford Stadium.
(10-06-2018, 11:26 PM)SF_Cardinal_Fan Wrote: I just returned home from Stanford's away game against Utah at Stanford Stadium.
(10-06-2018, 11:26 PM)SF_Cardinal_Fan Wrote: I just returned home from Stanford's away game against Utah at Stanford Stadium.
(10-06-2018, 11:36 PM)d4cohn Wrote: I want to first preface my comments by saying I love this program, and what it stands for, and the men of character that we have coaching the team and on the field (which is ultimately most important). Even though the past couple of weeks have been tough, I think it is important to remember this perspective amid our collective disappointment.I like your optimism and positive analysis, but I feel this team is coming unglued. If we cannot beat a middling Utah team at home, we are not Pac-12 contenders. At this point, we will be lucky to have a positive conference record.
Tonight was a tougher loss than Notre Dame for me, because unlike Notre Dame, where I felt the Irish were clearly the better and more talented team, I felt that we were the more talented (but obviously not better) team tonight. However, we made more avoidable mistakes than I can recall us making in a long time that gifted points to Utah, or took points off the board on our end:
1) The running into the punter penalty, ultimately leading to Utah's 1st TD, instead of us getting the ball in a scoreless game (albeit likely backed up)
2) The most costly was the pick six, which turned a likely 7-7 game (at worst 7-3 game), into a 14-0 game
3) 2nd INT, which took a likely 3 points off the board
4) The very poor defensive scheme with :08 left (even though I know we nearly got burned for a TD on the previous play), to leave the intermediate pass wide open (thanks to dropping three guys at the goaline), with the space completely vacated, leading to the necessary yardage to tack on 3 points before half (another big back-breaker)
5) Missed sack, and blown coverage by No.5, compounded by another poor angle, leading to TD that made it 37-21 and once and for all iced the game
Very thankfully, we have a bye after this, because I think we are clearly in need of a reset (not necessarily so much in scheme, though there are some scheme changes that might be made on defense). Other solace we can take is that this is only the first Pac-12 loss, and the loss was to a team from the South, rather than the North.
However, any margin of error is completely gone, and we are staring at a very tough road game in a week and a half against a desperate (but I think pretty solid) ASU team. I hope we are ready for the challenge.
(10-06-2018, 11:43 PM)BostonCard Wrote:How embarrassing. This has to be one of the absolute low points in the Shaw era. Getting blown out at home by an average Utah team! At least when UW blew us out in 2016, they did so in their own stadium and went on to the CFP that year.(10-06-2018, 11:26 PM)SF_Cardinal_Fan Wrote: I just returned home from Stanford's away game against Utah at Stanford Stadium.
Yup, as I noted at the time, Utah fans were taunting “we can’t hear you” at us, and they weren’t wrong. By the fourth quarter, the silence was deafening, punctured only by the Utah cheers and their band.
BC
(10-06-2018, 11:36 PM)d4cohn Wrote: I want to first preface my comments by saying I love this program, and what it stands for, and the men of character that we have coaching the team and on the field (which is ultimately most important). Even though the past couple of weeks have been tough, I think it is important to remember this perspective amid our collective disappointment.I like your optimism and positive analysis, but I feel this team is coming unglued. If we cannot beat a middling Utah team at home, we are not Pac-12 contenders. At this point, we will be lucky to have a positive conference record.
Tonight was a tougher loss than Notre Dame for me, because unlike Notre Dame, where I felt the Irish were clearly the better and more talented team, I felt that we were the more talented (but obviously not better) team tonight. However, we made more avoidable mistakes than I can recall us making in a long time that gifted points to Utah, or took points off the board on our end:
1) The running into the punter penalty, ultimately leading to Utah's 1st TD, instead of us getting the ball in a scoreless game (albeit likely backed up)
2) The most costly was the pick six, which turned a likely 7-7 game (at worst 7-3 game), into a 14-0 game
3) 2nd INT, which took a likely 3 points off the board
4) The very poor defensive scheme with :08 left (even though I know we nearly got burned for a TD on the previous play), to leave the intermediate pass wide open (thanks to dropping three guys at the goaline), with the space completely vacated, leading to the necessary yardage to tack on 3 points before half (another big back-breaker)
5) Missed sack, and blown coverage by No.5, compounded by another poor angle, leading to TD that made it 37-21 and once and for all iced the game
Very thankfully, we have a bye after this, because I think we are clearly in need of a reset (not necessarily so much in scheme, though there are some scheme changes that might be made on defense). Other solace we can take is that this is only the first Pac-12 loss, and the loss was to a team from the South, rather than the North.
However, any margin of error is completely gone, and we are staring at a very tough road game in a week and a half against a desperate (but I think pretty solid) ASU team. I hope we are ready for the challenge.
(10-06-2018, 11:43 PM)BostonCard Wrote:How embarrassing. This has to be one of the absolute low points in the Shaw era. Getting blown out at home by an average Utah team! At least when UW blew us out in 2016, they did so in their own stadium and went on to the CFP that year.(10-06-2018, 11:26 PM)SF_Cardinal_Fan Wrote: I just returned home from Stanford's away game against Utah at Stanford Stadium.
Yup, as I noted at the time, Utah fans were taunting “we can’t hear you” at us, and they weren’t wrong. By the fourth quarter, the silence was deafening, punctured only by the Utah cheers and their band.
BC
(10-06-2018, 11:47 PM)Austroturf Wrote:(10-06-2018, 11:36 PM)d4cohn Wrote: I want to first preface my comments by saying I love this program, and what it stands for, and the men of character that we have coaching the team and on the field (which is ultimately most important). Even though the past couple of weeks have been tough, I think it is important to remember this perspective amid our collective disappointment.I like your optimism and positive analysis, but I feel this team is coming unglued. If we cannot beat a middling Utah team at home, we are not Pac-12 contenders. At this point, we will be lucky to have a positive conference record.
Tonight was a tougher loss than Notre Dame for me, because unlike Notre Dame, where I felt the Irish were clearly the better and more talented team, I felt that we were the more talented (but obviously not better) team tonight. However, we made more avoidable mistakes than I can recall us making in a long time that gifted points to Utah, or took points off the board on our end:
1) The running into the punter penalty, ultimately leading to Utah's 1st TD, instead of us getting the ball in a scoreless game (albeit likely backed up)
2) The most costly was the pick six, which turned a likely 7-7 game (at worst 7-3 game), into a 14-0 game
3) 2nd INT, which took a likely 3 points off the board
4) The very poor defensive scheme with :08 left (even though I know we nearly got burned for a TD on the previous play), to leave the intermediate pass wide open (thanks to dropping three guys at the goaline), with the space completely vacated, leading to the necessary yardage to tack on 3 points before half (another big back-breaker)
5) Missed sack, and blown coverage by No.5, compounded by another poor angle, leading to TD that made it 37-21 and once and for all iced the game
Very thankfully, we have a bye after this, because I think we are clearly in need of a reset (not necessarily so much in scheme, though there are some scheme changes that might be made on defense). Other solace we can take is that this is only the first Pac-12 loss, and the loss was to a team from the South, rather than the North.
However, any margin of error is completely gone, and we are staring at a very tough road game in a week and a half against a desperate (but I think pretty solid) ASU team. I hope we are ready for the challenge.
(10-06-2018, 11:47 PM)Austroturf Wrote: How embarrassing. This has to be one of the absolute low points in the Shaw era. Getting blown out at home by an average Utah team! At least when UW blew us out in 2016, they did so in their own stadium and went on to the CFP that year.
I need a new hobby.
(10-06-2018, 11:47 PM)Austroturf Wrote:(10-06-2018, 11:36 PM)d4cohn Wrote: I want to first preface my comments by saying I love this program, and what it stands for, and the men of character that we have coaching the team and on the field (which is ultimately most important). Even though the past couple of weeks have been tough, I think it is important to remember this perspective amid our collective disappointment.I like your optimism and positive analysis, but I feel this team is coming unglued. If we cannot beat a middling Utah team at home, we are not Pac-12 contenders. At this point, we will be lucky to have a positive conference record.
Tonight was a tougher loss than Notre Dame for me, because unlike Notre Dame, where I felt the Irish were clearly the better and more talented team, I felt that we were the more talented (but obviously not better) team tonight. However, we made more avoidable mistakes than I can recall us making in a long time that gifted points to Utah, or took points off the board on our end:
1) The running into the punter penalty, ultimately leading to Utah's 1st TD, instead of us getting the ball in a scoreless game (albeit likely backed up)
2) The most costly was the pick six, which turned a likely 7-7 game (at worst 7-3 game), into a 14-0 game
3) 2nd INT, which took a likely 3 points off the board
4) The very poor defensive scheme with :08 left (even though I know we nearly got burned for a TD on the previous play), to leave the intermediate pass wide open (thanks to dropping three guys at the goaline), with the space completely vacated, leading to the necessary yardage to tack on 3 points before half (another big back-breaker)
5) Missed sack, and blown coverage by No.5, compounded by another poor angle, leading to TD that made it 37-21 and once and for all iced the game
Very thankfully, we have a bye after this, because I think we are clearly in need of a reset (not necessarily so much in scheme, though there are some scheme changes that might be made on defense). Other solace we can take is that this is only the first Pac-12 loss, and the loss was to a team from the South, rather than the North.
However, any margin of error is completely gone, and we are staring at a very tough road game in a week and a half against a desperate (but I think pretty solid) ASU team. I hope we are ready for the challenge.
(10-06-2018, 11:47 PM)Austroturf Wrote: How embarrassing. This has to be one of the absolute low points in the Shaw era. Getting blown out at home by an average Utah team! At least when UW blew us out in 2016, they did so in their own stadium and went on to the CFP that year.
I need a new hobby.
(10-07-2018, 12:04 AM)d4cohn Wrote:(10-06-2018, 11:47 PM)Austroturf Wrote:(10-06-2018, 11:36 PM)d4cohn Wrote: I want to first preface my comments by saying I love this program, and what it stands for, and the men of character that we have coaching the team and on the field (which is ultimately most important). Even though the past couple of weeks have been tough, I think it is important to remember this perspective amid our collective disappointment.I like your optimism and positive analysis, but I feel this team is coming unglued. If we cannot beat a middling Utah team at home, we are not Pac-12 contenders. At this point, we will be lucky to have a positive conference record.
Tonight was a tougher loss than Notre Dame for me, because unlike Notre Dame, where I felt the Irish were clearly the better and more talented team, I felt that we were the more talented (but obviously not better) team tonight. However, we made more avoidable mistakes than I can recall us making in a long time that gifted points to Utah, or took points off the board on our end:
1) The running into the punter penalty, ultimately leading to Utah's 1st TD, instead of us getting the ball in a scoreless game (albeit likely backed up)
2) The most costly was the pick six, which turned a likely 7-7 game (at worst 7-3 game), into a 14-0 game
3) 2nd INT, which took a likely 3 points off the board
4) The very poor defensive scheme with :08 left (even though I know we nearly got burned for a TD on the previous play), to leave the intermediate pass wide open (thanks to dropping three guys at the goaline), with the space completely vacated, leading to the necessary yardage to tack on 3 points before half (another big back-breaker)
5) Missed sack, and blown coverage by No.5, compounded by another poor angle, leading to TD that made it 37-21 and once and for all iced the game
Very thankfully, we have a bye after this, because I think we are clearly in need of a reset (not necessarily so much in scheme, though there are some scheme changes that might be made on defense). Other solace we can take is that this is only the first Pac-12 loss, and the loss was to a team from the South, rather than the North.
However, any margin of error is completely gone, and we are staring at a very tough road game in a week and a half against a desperate (but I think pretty solid) ASU team. I hope we are ready for the challenge.
I understand your point, but people felt the same way after we lost back-to-back last year to USC and SDSU last year (with our QB unable to complete 3 yard screen passes in the latter game). It took some changes, but we were able to recover and still make the Pac-12 Championship Game. However, it is also possible that this year turns into another 2014. Even 2014 though, we were able to recover that year and stun UCLA, and win 4 in a row to close a season.
Personally, I didn't think we were going to win the Pac-12 North this year, even prior to ND and Utah, because winning at Husky Stadium is a really tall order (even if they don't look all that spectacular). I am certainly not saying it is likely, but the team is still potentially set up to accomplish some of those goals (even if it is going to take a lot of work, and much better play between now and November to ensure that we get that chance at Husky Stadium).
Regarding the conference record, while we cannot take anyone on the schedule for granted, I am going to go out on a limb and say we beat Oregon State at home, and win at UCLA. That would give us at least 6 wins (so bowl eligibility), and 4 conference wins (>= .500 conference record). That may be well below the level we have become accustomed to since 2010, but I cannot realistically, as bad we looked tonight, see us not at least clearing those two bars, with the wins we already have banked.
(10-06-2018, 11:47 PM)Austroturf Wrote: How embarrassing. This has to be one of the absolute low points in the Shaw era. Getting blown out at home by an average Utah team! At least when UW blew us out in 2016, they did so in their own stadium and went on to the CFP that year.
I need a new hobby.
Eh, tonight was tough, but we also got blown out similarly against an average/slightly above average Wazzu team in 2016 at home (also in a 7:30 night game). Different styles between Utah and Wazzu, but similar in terms of outcome/flow of game. We also lost homecoming in 2016 to Colorado 10-5, where we technically weren't blown out, but we also looked very inept.
(10-07-2018, 12:04 AM)d4cohn Wrote:(10-06-2018, 11:47 PM)Austroturf Wrote:(10-06-2018, 11:36 PM)d4cohn Wrote: I want to first preface my comments by saying I love this program, and what it stands for, and the men of character that we have coaching the team and on the field (which is ultimately most important). Even though the past couple of weeks have been tough, I think it is important to remember this perspective amid our collective disappointment.I like your optimism and positive analysis, but I feel this team is coming unglued. If we cannot beat a middling Utah team at home, we are not Pac-12 contenders. At this point, we will be lucky to have a positive conference record.
Tonight was a tougher loss than Notre Dame for me, because unlike Notre Dame, where I felt the Irish were clearly the better and more talented team, I felt that we were the more talented (but obviously not better) team tonight. However, we made more avoidable mistakes than I can recall us making in a long time that gifted points to Utah, or took points off the board on our end:
1) The running into the punter penalty, ultimately leading to Utah's 1st TD, instead of us getting the ball in a scoreless game (albeit likely backed up)
2) The most costly was the pick six, which turned a likely 7-7 game (at worst 7-3 game), into a 14-0 game
3) 2nd INT, which took a likely 3 points off the board
4) The very poor defensive scheme with :08 left (even though I know we nearly got burned for a TD on the previous play), to leave the intermediate pass wide open (thanks to dropping three guys at the goaline), with the space completely vacated, leading to the necessary yardage to tack on 3 points before half (another big back-breaker)
5) Missed sack, and blown coverage by No.5, compounded by another poor angle, leading to TD that made it 37-21 and once and for all iced the game
Very thankfully, we have a bye after this, because I think we are clearly in need of a reset (not necessarily so much in scheme, though there are some scheme changes that might be made on defense). Other solace we can take is that this is only the first Pac-12 loss, and the loss was to a team from the South, rather than the North.
However, any margin of error is completely gone, and we are staring at a very tough road game in a week and a half against a desperate (but I think pretty solid) ASU team. I hope we are ready for the challenge.
I understand your point, but people felt the same way after we lost back-to-back last year to USC and SDSU last year (with our QB unable to complete 3 yard screen passes in the latter game). It took some changes, but we were able to recover and still make the Pac-12 Championship Game. However, it is also possible that this year turns into another 2014. Even 2014 though, we were able to recover that year and stun UCLA, and win 4 in a row to close a season.
Personally, I didn't think we were going to win the Pac-12 North this year, even prior to ND and Utah, because winning at Husky Stadium is a really tall order (even if they don't look all that spectacular). I am certainly not saying it is likely, but the team is still potentially set up to accomplish some of those goals (even if it is going to take a lot of work, and much better play between now and November to ensure that we get that chance at Husky Stadium).
Regarding the conference record, while we cannot take anyone on the schedule for granted, I am going to go out on a limb and say we beat Oregon State at home, and win at UCLA. That would give us at least 6 wins (so bowl eligibility), and 4 conference wins (>= .500 conference record). That may be well below the level we have become accustomed to since 2010, but I cannot realistically, as bad we looked tonight, see us not at least clearing those two bars, with the wins we already have banked.
(10-06-2018, 11:47 PM)Austroturf Wrote: How embarrassing. This has to be one of the absolute low points in the Shaw era. Getting blown out at home by an average Utah team! At least when UW blew us out in 2016, they did so in their own stadium and went on to the CFP that year.
I need a new hobby.
Eh, tonight was tough, but we also got blown out similarly against an average/slightly above average Wazzu team in 2016 at home (also in a 7:30 night game). Different styles between Utah and Wazzu, but similar in terms of outcome/flow of game. We also lost homecoming in 2016 to Colorado 10-5, where we technically weren't blown out, but we also looked very inept.
