02-13-2012, 07:51 PM
Rumors that the new conference will be called the Multiple Mediocres have not been confirmed.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...conference
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...conference
MWC and Conference USA to merge
Rumors that the new conference will be called the Multiple Mediocres have not been confirmed.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...conference
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...conference
02-13-2012, 08:23 PM
Not sure that this year anyone from the Pac-12 should talk about mediocrity -- at least during basketball season. This year it seems as if our league only aspires to mediocrity... :(
02-13-2012, 08:35 PM
Wow, I wonder how many fans will commute from Hawaii to East Carolina for a conference football game? (Do these meglaconglomerates have to file an EIR before they're allowed to merge?) There's a rivalry waiting to happen. And Stanford complains about having to go 1000-3000 miles or more for a tournament game.
Yvonne, don't disparage them:
 Both UNLV and UTEP (by its former name) won a NCAA Div. 1 men's basketball championship more recently than the Stanford Indians did.
 Rice beat Stanford for the baseball championship in 2003.
I say universities should be done with it, and just form the National Conference of American Athletics, so they don't have to deal with these small 24 team conferences. They could then compete in divisions like the Political Action Committee 12, Big Eats, the Yet-Another-Coalition, the S.E. Conglomerate, etc.
Yvonne, don't disparage them:
 Both UNLV and UTEP (by its former name) won a NCAA Div. 1 men's basketball championship more recently than the Stanford Indians did.
 Rice beat Stanford for the baseball championship in 2003.
I say universities should be done with it, and just form the National Conference of American Athletics, so they don't have to deal with these small 24 team conferences. They could then compete in divisions like the Political Action Committee 12, Big Eats, the Yet-Another-Coalition, the S.E. Conglomerate, etc.
Wow, I wonder how many fans will commute from Hawaii to East Carolina for a conference football game? (Do these meglaconglomerates have to file an EIR before they're allowed to merge?) There's a rivalry waiting to happen. And Stanford complains about having to go 1000-3000 miles or more for a tournament game.
Yvonne, don't disparage them:
 Both UNLV and UTEP (by its former name) won a NCAA Div. 1 men's basketball championship more recently than the Stanford Indians did.
 Rice beat Stanford for the baseball championship in 2003.
I say universities should be done with it, and just form the National Conference of American Athletics, so they don't have to deal with these small 24 team conferences. They could then compete in divisions like the Political Action Committee 12, Big Eats, the Yet-Another-Coalition, the S.E. Conglomerate, etc.
Yvonne, don't disparage them:
 Both UNLV and UTEP (by its former name) won a NCAA Div. 1 men's basketball championship more recently than the Stanford Indians did.
 Rice beat Stanford for the baseball championship in 2003.
I say universities should be done with it, and just form the National Conference of American Athletics, so they don't have to deal with these small 24 team conferences. They could then compete in divisions like the Political Action Committee 12, Big Eats, the Yet-Another-Coalition, the S.E. Conglomerate, etc.
02-14-2012, 08:15 AM
(This post was last modified: 02-14-2012, 08:49 AM by OutsiderFan.)
I will never forgive Texas for nixing the Pac-16. That move would have:
* Re-formed the Pac-8
* Made the Pac bigger than the SEC
* Been the move needed to catalyze four 16 team super conferences of legitimate football playing programs
* Killed off the Big East (Big East and ACC would have consolidated)
* Prevented this MWC/CUSA nonsense
* Killed the WAC for football
* Missouri and the University of South Bend would have gone to the B1G, not to the SEC and stayed independent, respectively
* Put programs like San Jose State out of their misery
* Left Boise State out in the cold
* Paved the way for a nice, tidy playoff system
* Rid us of the scourge that is the bowl system and let the universities generate revenue from the post season
Instead, the Big East was allowed to survive, adding Boise State and San Diego State. The Big 12 added West Virginia, and now we see this C-USA/MWC nonsense? How has this clarified anything? How has this made anything better? The rich are still richer, and the poor are still poor. No school outside of the SEC, Pac-12, B1G, Big 12, or ACC is ever going to compete for a national championship. There aren't even 64 schools that will legitimately compete for one, but there are about 64 that have audiences large enough to warrant them staying in the top tier. The laws of economics dictate that there can't be 120 schools in the highest level of college football. Keeping these programs like San Jose State alive is just throwing good money after bad.
Kind of ironic that Texas being so self-centered, actually is going to net out for less to Texas in the long run. As long as the Big East, WAC, C-USA/MWC are around, Texas will get less money than it would have had those conferences been put out of business by Texas joining the Pac-16.
If it were up to me, we'd have 120 teams all having the same resources to play. But that isn't the world we live in and I am not naive enough to think anything other than further consolidation will happen. So if it is going to happen, I want the Pac to be leading the charge and getting the spoils, not reacting to what everyone else is doing. Texas prevented the Pac from leading the charge and getting in the most advantageous position (Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio TV and recruiting markets). I will always hold that against them.
* Re-formed the Pac-8
* Made the Pac bigger than the SEC
* Been the move needed to catalyze four 16 team super conferences of legitimate football playing programs
* Killed off the Big East (Big East and ACC would have consolidated)
* Prevented this MWC/CUSA nonsense
* Killed the WAC for football
* Missouri and the University of South Bend would have gone to the B1G, not to the SEC and stayed independent, respectively
* Put programs like San Jose State out of their misery
* Left Boise State out in the cold
* Paved the way for a nice, tidy playoff system
* Rid us of the scourge that is the bowl system and let the universities generate revenue from the post season
Instead, the Big East was allowed to survive, adding Boise State and San Diego State. The Big 12 added West Virginia, and now we see this C-USA/MWC nonsense? How has this clarified anything? How has this made anything better? The rich are still richer, and the poor are still poor. No school outside of the SEC, Pac-12, B1G, Big 12, or ACC is ever going to compete for a national championship. There aren't even 64 schools that will legitimately compete for one, but there are about 64 that have audiences large enough to warrant them staying in the top tier. The laws of economics dictate that there can't be 120 schools in the highest level of college football. Keeping these programs like San Jose State alive is just throwing good money after bad.
Kind of ironic that Texas being so self-centered, actually is going to net out for less to Texas in the long run. As long as the Big East, WAC, C-USA/MWC are around, Texas will get less money than it would have had those conferences been put out of business by Texas joining the Pac-16.
If it were up to me, we'd have 120 teams all having the same resources to play. But that isn't the world we live in and I am not naive enough to think anything other than further consolidation will happen. So if it is going to happen, I want the Pac to be leading the charge and getting the spoils, not reacting to what everyone else is doing. Texas prevented the Pac from leading the charge and getting in the most advantageous position (Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio TV and recruiting markets). I will always hold that against them.
(This post was last modified: 02-14-2012, 08:49 AM by OutsiderFan.)
I will never forgive Texas for nixing the Pac-16. That move would have:
* Re-formed the Pac-8
* Made the Pac bigger than the SEC
* Been the move needed to catalyze four 16 team super conferences of legitimate football playing programs
* Killed off the Big East (Big East and ACC would have consolidated)
* Prevented this MWC/CUSA nonsense
* Killed the WAC for football
* Missouri and the University of South Bend would have gone to the B1G, not to the SEC and stayed independent, respectively
* Put programs like San Jose State out of their misery
* Left Boise State out in the cold
* Paved the way for a nice, tidy playoff system
* Rid us of the scourge that is the bowl system and let the universities generate revenue from the post season
Instead, the Big East was allowed to survive, adding Boise State and San Diego State. The Big 12 added West Virginia, and now we see this C-USA/MWC nonsense? How has this clarified anything? How has this made anything better? The rich are still richer, and the poor are still poor. No school outside of the SEC, Pac-12, B1G, Big 12, or ACC is ever going to compete for a national championship. There aren't even 64 schools that will legitimately compete for one, but there are about 64 that have audiences large enough to warrant them staying in the top tier. The laws of economics dictate that there can't be 120 schools in the highest level of college football. Keeping these programs like San Jose State alive is just throwing good money after bad.
Kind of ironic that Texas being so self-centered, actually is going to net out for less to Texas in the long run. As long as the Big East, WAC, C-USA/MWC are around, Texas will get less money than it would have had those conferences been put out of business by Texas joining the Pac-16.
If it were up to me, we'd have 120 teams all having the same resources to play. But that isn't the world we live in and I am not naive enough to think anything other than further consolidation will happen. So if it is going to happen, I want the Pac to be leading the charge and getting the spoils, not reacting to what everyone else is doing. Texas prevented the Pac from leading the charge and getting in the most advantageous position (Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio TV and recruiting markets). I will always hold that against them.
* Re-formed the Pac-8
* Made the Pac bigger than the SEC
* Been the move needed to catalyze four 16 team super conferences of legitimate football playing programs
* Killed off the Big East (Big East and ACC would have consolidated)
* Prevented this MWC/CUSA nonsense
* Killed the WAC for football
* Missouri and the University of South Bend would have gone to the B1G, not to the SEC and stayed independent, respectively
* Put programs like San Jose State out of their misery
* Left Boise State out in the cold
* Paved the way for a nice, tidy playoff system
* Rid us of the scourge that is the bowl system and let the universities generate revenue from the post season
Instead, the Big East was allowed to survive, adding Boise State and San Diego State. The Big 12 added West Virginia, and now we see this C-USA/MWC nonsense? How has this clarified anything? How has this made anything better? The rich are still richer, and the poor are still poor. No school outside of the SEC, Pac-12, B1G, Big 12, or ACC is ever going to compete for a national championship. There aren't even 64 schools that will legitimately compete for one, but there are about 64 that have audiences large enough to warrant them staying in the top tier. The laws of economics dictate that there can't be 120 schools in the highest level of college football. Keeping these programs like San Jose State alive is just throwing good money after bad.
Kind of ironic that Texas being so self-centered, actually is going to net out for less to Texas in the long run. As long as the Big East, WAC, C-USA/MWC are around, Texas will get less money than it would have had those conferences been put out of business by Texas joining the Pac-16.
If it were up to me, we'd have 120 teams all having the same resources to play. But that isn't the world we live in and I am not naive enough to think anything other than further consolidation will happen. So if it is going to happen, I want the Pac to be leading the charge and getting the spoils, not reacting to what everyone else is doing. Texas prevented the Pac from leading the charge and getting in the most advantageous position (Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio TV and recruiting markets). I will always hold that against them.
02-14-2012, 10:27 AM
I'm glad Texas is not in the Pac and hope it never will be. It's bad enough having SC and the North-West Power du Jour to deal with on the way to a conference championship. Besides, at least our current Pac bullies don't openly insist on contractually obligating everyone else in the conference to be subordinates.
(02-14-2012, 08:15 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:If it were up to me, we'd have 120 teams all having the same resources to play.You should just follow the NFL instead. If it were up to me, we'd have 119 teams playing with *student* athletes (and Texas would be banned).
I'm glad Texas is not in the Pac and hope it never will be. It's bad enough having SC and the North-West Power du Jour to deal with on the way to a conference championship. Besides, at least our current Pac bullies don't openly insist on contractually obligating everyone else in the conference to be subordinates.
(02-14-2012, 08:15 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:If it were up to me, we'd have 120 teams all having the same resources to play.You should just follow the NFL instead. If it were up to me, we'd have 119 teams playing with *student* athletes (and Texas would be banned).
02-14-2012, 10:54 AM
(02-14-2012, 08:15 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:I will never forgive Texas for nixing the Pac-16.I will never forgive Texas for destroying the Big 12.
Quote:Missouri and the University of South Bend would have gone to the B1G, not to the SEC and stayed independent, respectivelyThat was never going to happen. Missouri going to the Big Ten was all in the mind of AD Mike Alden.
Quote:Kind of ironic that Texas being so self-centered, actually is going to net out for less to Texas in the long run.One of the great pleasures of watching Big 12 sports this year (other than Mizzou's phenomenal run on the hardwood) has been the implosion of the t-sips. The Tigers are 3-0 against Texas in football & men's basketball and I'm hoping they extend that run to baseball and finish them off.
"To the press alone, checkered as it is with abuses, the world is indebted for all the triumphs which have been gained by reason and humanity over error and oppression." ~ James Madison
(02-14-2012, 08:15 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:I will never forgive Texas for nixing the Pac-16.I will never forgive Texas for destroying the Big 12.
Quote:Missouri and the University of South Bend would have gone to the B1G, not to the SEC and stayed independent, respectivelyThat was never going to happen. Missouri going to the Big Ten was all in the mind of AD Mike Alden.
Quote:Kind of ironic that Texas being so self-centered, actually is going to net out for less to Texas in the long run.One of the great pleasures of watching Big 12 sports this year (other than Mizzou's phenomenal run on the hardwood) has been the implosion of the t-sips. The Tigers are 3-0 against Texas in football & men's basketball and I'm hoping they extend that run to baseball and finish them off.
"To the press alone, checkered as it is with abuses, the world is indebted for all the triumphs which have been gained by reason and humanity over error and oppression." ~ James Madison
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02-14-2012, 11:50 AM
That is gonna be some good football playin' goin' on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and early Sunday mornings Eastern Time.
Southern Miss, Tulsa, Marshall, Rice, UTEP, UAB, Tulane and East Carolina, UNLV, New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State ,Air Force, Fresno and Nevada.
Southern Miss, Tulsa, Marshall, Rice, UTEP, UAB, Tulane and East Carolina, UNLV, New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State ,Air Force, Fresno and Nevada.
That is gonna be some good football playin' goin' on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and early Sunday mornings Eastern Time.
Southern Miss, Tulsa, Marshall, Rice, UTEP, UAB, Tulane and East Carolina, UNLV, New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State ,Air Force, Fresno and Nevada.
Southern Miss, Tulsa, Marshall, Rice, UTEP, UAB, Tulane and East Carolina, UNLV, New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State ,Air Force, Fresno and Nevada.
02-14-2012, 01:20 PM
The total number of NCAA championships for the members of the proposed new conference:
21 UTEP (men's basketball, 7 men's cross-country, 7 men's indoor track, 6 men's outdoor track)*
3 Wyoming (men's basketball, 2 skiing)
2 Fresno State (baseball, softball)
2 Marshall (both in Div. IAA football)
2 UNLV (men's basketball, men's golf)
1 New Mexico (skiing)
1 Tulane (men's tennis)
1 Rice (baseball)
1 Tulsa (women's golf)
0 Colorado State
0 Air Force
0 Hawaii (football only)
0 Southern Miss
0 UAB
0 East Carolina
0 Nevada
* UTEP's track and cross-country championships all were in the years 1974-1982.
21 UTEP (men's basketball, 7 men's cross-country, 7 men's indoor track, 6 men's outdoor track)*
3 Wyoming (men's basketball, 2 skiing)
2 Fresno State (baseball, softball)
2 Marshall (both in Div. IAA football)
2 UNLV (men's basketball, men's golf)
1 New Mexico (skiing)
1 Tulane (men's tennis)
1 Rice (baseball)
1 Tulsa (women's golf)
0 Colorado State
0 Air Force
0 Hawaii (football only)
0 Southern Miss
0 UAB
0 East Carolina
0 Nevada
* UTEP's track and cross-country championships all were in the years 1974-1982.
The total number of NCAA championships for the members of the proposed new conference:
21 UTEP (men's basketball, 7 men's cross-country, 7 men's indoor track, 6 men's outdoor track)*
3 Wyoming (men's basketball, 2 skiing)
2 Fresno State (baseball, softball)
2 Marshall (both in Div. IAA football)
2 UNLV (men's basketball, men's golf)
1 New Mexico (skiing)
1 Tulane (men's tennis)
1 Rice (baseball)
1 Tulsa (women's golf)
0 Colorado State
0 Air Force
0 Hawaii (football only)
0 Southern Miss
0 UAB
0 East Carolina
0 Nevada
* UTEP's track and cross-country championships all were in the years 1974-1982.
21 UTEP (men's basketball, 7 men's cross-country, 7 men's indoor track, 6 men's outdoor track)*
3 Wyoming (men's basketball, 2 skiing)
2 Fresno State (baseball, softball)
2 Marshall (both in Div. IAA football)
2 UNLV (men's basketball, men's golf)
1 New Mexico (skiing)
1 Tulane (men's tennis)
1 Rice (baseball)
1 Tulsa (women's golf)
0 Colorado State
0 Air Force
0 Hawaii (football only)
0 Southern Miss
0 UAB
0 East Carolina
0 Nevada
* UTEP's track and cross-country championships all were in the years 1974-1982.
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