[DC 86]

Create a playoff structure that includes every Power5 conference winner and a number of at-large invites that also gives every other FBS team 10 practices in December and I suspect that might get approved by most member institutions in the FBS.

Seems doubtful; member institutions count on the bowl payouts that conference members receive.

And if players are polled I expect that the vast majority would want to play (in a normal year).

[DC 86]

Create a playoff structure that includes every Power5 conference winner and a number of at-large invites that also gives every other FBS team 10 practices in December and I suspect that might get approved by most member institutions in the FBS.

Seems doubtful; member institutions count on the bowl payouts that conference members receive.

And if players are polled I expect that the vast majority would want to play (in a normal year).

[needle]

Arizona State loses to Wisconsin, but the score is respectable.

Badgers 20, ASU 13

Will a Pac-12 team win a bowl game this season? Does it even matter at this point, with (again) no Pac representation in the playoff?

[needle]

Arizona State loses to Wisconsin, but the score is respectable.

Badgers 20, ASU 13

Will a Pac-12 team win a bowl game this season? Does it even matter at this point, with (again) no Pac representation in the playoff?

[OutsiderFan]

Arizona State loses to Wisconsin, but the score is respectable.

Badgers 20, ASU 13

Will a Pac-12 team win a bowl game this season? Does it even matter at this point, with (again) no Pac representation in the playoff?

My assumption is the Rose Bowl means a lot more for Utah than Ohio State. This is why I expect Utah to win, and why if they lose, it will look even worse for the Pac-12.

I finally saw a bowl game this year. Well, at least the last half of one. And it might have been the best one of the season. Did any one of y'all see the Music City Bowl between Purdue and Tennessee?  Wow, that game was nuts.  Went to OT tied at 45. Tennessee had ball first and twice went for it on 4th down instead of kicking FG to take 3pt lead.  Never have I ever seen that in a college overtime before.

Tennessee converted on the first 4th down, with the QB barely escaping a sack that would have left them with no points on first OT possession, as he scrambled out of bounds.  Then on 4th and Goal from the one, they went for it again, this time after handing off and having runner's forward progress called as stopped, before he reached ball over goal line. Vols' coach was apoplectic, but I know from the 2011 NFC Championship game that when forward progress is ruled stopped, the play is over, regardless of whistle, and there is no replay review allowed.

This game dropped the SEC to what. 1-5 in bowl games this year, after South Carolina somehow beat North Carolina earlier. I'm feeling pretty good about my Michigan pick today as a result :)

[OutsiderFan]

Arizona State loses to Wisconsin, but the score is respectable.

Badgers 20, ASU 13

Will a Pac-12 team win a bowl game this season? Does it even matter at this point, with (again) no Pac representation in the playoff?

My assumption is the Rose Bowl means a lot more for Utah than Ohio State. This is why I expect Utah to win, and why if they lose, it will look even worse for the Pac-12.

I finally saw a bowl game this year. Well, at least the last half of one. And it might have been the best one of the season. Did any one of y'all see the Music City Bowl between Purdue and Tennessee?  Wow, that game was nuts.  Went to OT tied at 45. Tennessee had ball first and twice went for it on 4th down instead of kicking FG to take 3pt lead.  Never have I ever seen that in a college overtime before.

Tennessee converted on the first 4th down, with the QB barely escaping a sack that would have left them with no points on first OT possession, as he scrambled out of bounds.  Then on 4th and Goal from the one, they went for it again, this time after handing off and having runner's forward progress called as stopped, before he reached ball over goal line. Vols' coach was apoplectic, but I know from the 2011 NFC Championship game that when forward progress is ruled stopped, the play is over, regardless of whistle, and there is no replay review allowed.

This game dropped the SEC to what. 1-5 in bowl games this year, after South Carolina somehow beat North Carolina earlier. I'm feeling pretty good about my Michigan pick today as a result :)

[needle]

I haven't seen a second of it, but at halftime Wazzu is scoreless in the Sun Bowl and down by three TDs to Central Michigan from the mighty MAC.

When was the last time the Pac lost every bowl game?

[needle]

I haven't seen a second of it, but at halftime Wazzu is scoreless in the Sun Bowl and down by three TDs to Central Michigan from the mighty MAC.

When was the last time the Pac lost every bowl game?

[Spiny_Norman]

I haven't seen a second of it, but at halftime Wazzu is scoreless in the Sun Bowl and down by three TDs to Central Michigan from the mighty MAC.



When was the last time the Pac lost every bowl game?

Last year. The P12 was 0-2.

Since the 2017 season, the P12 will have played 29 bowl games through today. Assuming that WSU loses, the conference record is 8-21 in those games. It seems clear to me that the P12 at least in football is a mid-major conference.

[Spiny_Norman]

I haven't seen a second of it, but at halftime Wazzu is scoreless in the Sun Bowl and down by three TDs to Central Michigan from the mighty MAC.



When was the last time the Pac lost every bowl game?

Last year. The P12 was 0-2.

Since the 2017 season, the P12 will have played 29 bowl games through today. Assuming that WSU loses, the conference record is 8-21 in those games. It seems clear to me that the P12 at least in football is a mid-major conference.

[chrisk]

WSU was supposed to play Miami.

How many of those 21 losses were to Group of 5 schools?

In the Pac12’s last chance this year, Utah is a 4 point underdog to Ohio State.

[chrisk]

WSU was supposed to play Miami.

How many of those 21 losses were to Group of 5 schools?

In the Pac12’s last chance this year, Utah is a 4 point underdog to Ohio State.

[Spiny_Norman]

How many of those 21 losses were to Group of 5 schools?

I count 5 - WSU losing to Central Michigan today, Oregon St losing to Utah St a few weeks ago, WSU losing to Air Force in 2019, ASU losing to Fresno St in 2018 and Oregon losing to Boise St in 2017.

Of the 8 wins, only 1 was vs. a Group of 5 school - Washington over Boise St in 2019.

So the P12 is 1-5 vs. Group of 5 schools in bowl games in the last 5 years.

[Spiny_Norman]

How many of those 21 losses were to Group of 5 schools?

I count 5 - WSU losing to Central Michigan today, Oregon St losing to Utah St a few weeks ago, WSU losing to Air Force in 2019, ASU losing to Fresno St in 2018 and Oregon losing to Boise St in 2017.

Of the 8 wins, only 1 was vs. a Group of 5 school - Washington over Boise St in 2019.

So the P12 is 1-5 vs. Group of 5 schools in bowl games in the last 5 years.

[OutsiderFan]

On players not valuing "lesser" bowl games like the Rose Bowl when it isn't part of the CFP. When there is not much to lose by playing, playing isn't a big deal. I feel confident saying that if Desmond Howard was a projected Top 10 pick in 2022, and his team was playing in a non-playoff bowl game, he too wouldn't be playing in it. One can love doing something but not want to do it until getting paid for it, especially when doing it for free puts one at risk for not being paid for it in the future.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1477302609790869504[/tweet]

[OutsiderFan]

On players not valuing "lesser" bowl games like the Rose Bowl when it isn't part of the CFP. When there is not much to lose by playing, playing isn't a big deal. I feel confident saying that if Desmond Howard was a projected Top 10 pick in 2022, and his team was playing in a non-playoff bowl game, he too wouldn't be playing in it. One can love doing something but not want to do it until getting paid for it, especially when doing it for free puts one at risk for not being paid for it in the future.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1477302609790869504[/tweet]

[lex24]

On players not valuing "lesser" bowl games like the Rose Bowl when it isn't part of the CFP. When there is not much to lose by playing, playing isn't a big deal. I feel confident saying that if Desmond Howard was a projected Top 10 pick in 2022, and his team was playing in a non-playoff bowl game, he too wouldn't be playing in it. One can love doing something but not want to do it until getting paid for it, especially when doing it for free puts one at risk for not being paid for it in the future.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1477302609790869504[/tweet]

Again, I don’t understand your point.  If the only bowl games that “matter“ are those that are going to impact the national championship then during the history of College Foitball  there’s been about one maybe two a year that “mattered” - until they set up this four team playoff. 

Query: how many Utah players decided not to play to get ready for the pros? Ohio State expected to make the final four. They didn’t. So it’s understandable some of their players backed out. To them this game is a disappointment. To Utah – I think it “matters“ quite a bit.

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How many of those 21 losses were to Group of 5 schools?

I count 5 - WSU losing to Central Michigan today, Oregon St losing to Utah St a few weeks ago, WSU losing to Air Force in 2019, ASU losing to Fresno St in 2018 and Oregon losing to Boise St in 2017. 

Of the 8 wins, only 1 was vs. a Group of 5 school - Washington over Boise St in 2019.

So the P12 is 1-5 vs. Group of 5 schools in bowl games in the last 5 years.

PAC 12 is 9-22 vs Non-Conference FBS teams this year….

[lex24]

On players not valuing "lesser" bowl games like the Rose Bowl when it isn't part of the CFP. When there is not much to lose by playing, playing isn't a big deal. I feel confident saying that if Desmond Howard was a projected Top 10 pick in 2022, and his team was playing in a non-playoff bowl game, he too wouldn't be playing in it. One can love doing something but not want to do it until getting paid for it, especially when doing it for free puts one at risk for not being paid for it in the future.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1477302609790869504[/tweet]

Again, I don’t understand your point.  If the only bowl games that “matter“ are those that are going to impact the national championship then during the history of College Foitball  there’s been about one maybe two a year that “mattered” - until they set up this four team playoff. 

Query: how many Utah players decided not to play to get ready for the pros? Ohio State expected to make the final four. They didn’t. So it’s understandable some of their players backed out. To them this game is a disappointment. To Utah – I think it “matters“ quite a bit.

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How many of those 21 losses were to Group of 5 schools?

I count 5 - WSU losing to Central Michigan today, Oregon St losing to Utah St a few weeks ago, WSU losing to Air Force in 2019, ASU losing to Fresno St in 2018 and Oregon losing to Boise St in 2017. 

Of the 8 wins, only 1 was vs. a Group of 5 school - Washington over Boise St in 2019.

So the P12 is 1-5 vs. Group of 5 schools in bowl games in the last 5 years.

PAC 12 is 9-22 vs Non-Conference FBS teams this year….

[82lsju]

Query: how many Utah players decided not to play to get ready for the pros? Ohio State expected to make the final four. They didn’t. So it’s understandable some of their players backed out. To them this game is a disappointment. To Utah – I think it “matters“ quite a bit.

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I believe zero, but they have had six players declare for the draft, one (LB Devin Lloyd) has not declared for the draft but is playing in the senior bowl so likely gone after the Rose Bowl, he is in the first round of a couple of mock drafts 

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/...gins-rose/

[82lsju]

Query: how many Utah players decided not to play to get ready for the pros? Ohio State expected to make the final four. They didn’t. So it’s understandable some of their players backed out. To them this game is a disappointment. To Utah – I think it “matters“ quite a bit.

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I believe zero, but they have had six players declare for the draft, one (LB Devin Lloyd) has not declared for the draft but is playing in the senior bowl so likely gone after the Rose Bowl, he is in the first round of a couple of mock drafts 

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/...gins-rose/

[DC 86]

Caleb Williams in Los Angeles today, hmmm.

[DC 86]

Caleb Williams in Los Angeles today, hmmm.

[DC 86]

And now Jaxson Dart entering the transfer portal, hmmm.

[DC 86]

And now Jaxson Dart entering the transfer portal, hmmm.

[Phogge]

Not watching tonight. Have seen this game numerous times.

Recorded All Things Great and Small last night, will be much more entertaining than an SEC crowning.

[Phogge]

Not watching tonight. Have seen this game numerous times.

Recorded All Things Great and Small last night, will be much more entertaining than an SEC crowning.

[BostonCard]

So JT Daniela made way to Kevin Slovis and transferred out; Slovis lost out to Jaxson Dart and transferred, and now Dart is making way for Williams to be reunited with his former coach via that transfer portal.

When transfer rules were liberalized, I don’t think this is what was envisioned.

BC

[BostonCard]

So JT Daniela made way to Kevin Slovis and transferred out; Slovis lost out to Jaxson Dart and transferred, and now Dart is making way for Williams to be reunited with his former coach via that transfer portal.

When transfer rules were liberalized, I don’t think this is what was envisioned.

BC

[Phogge]

College football is now pro football.

I was also pissed when the Olympics let pros compete. Especially the Dream Team, ugh.

[Phogge]

College football is now pro football.

I was also pissed when the Olympics let pros compete. Especially the Dream Team, ugh.

[cardcrimson]

Not watching tonight. Have seen this game numerous times.

Recorded All Things Great and Small last night, will be much more entertaining than an SEC crowning.

Not that I've watched much of it, what I've seen is like watching paint dry. At least ESPN is getting what they deserve. . . .

[cardcrimson]

Not watching tonight. Have seen this game numerous times.

Recorded All Things Great and Small last night, will be much more entertaining than an SEC crowning.

Not that I've watched much of it, what I've seen is like watching paint dry. At least ESPN is getting what they deserve. . . .

[cardcrimson]

Can somebody explain what intentional grounding is and what constitutes a forward pass? Bennett's arm was moving forward, the ball goes forward, and it's a fumble.

[cardcrimson]

Can somebody explain what intentional grounding is and what constitutes a forward pass? Bennett's arm was moving forward, the ball goes forward, and it's a fumble.

[old spanish trail]

Can somebody explain what intentional grounding is and what constitutes a forward pass? Bennett's arm was moving forward, the ball goes forward, and it's a fumble.

Looks like an awkwardly attempted forward pass to me.

[old spanish trail]

Can somebody explain what intentional grounding is and what constitutes a forward pass? Bennett's arm was moving forward, the ball goes forward, and it's a fumble.

Looks like an awkwardly attempted forward pass to me.

[cardcrimson]

Can somebody explain what intentional grounding is and what constitutes a forward pass? Bennett's arm was moving forward, the ball goes forward, and it's a fumble.

Looks like an awkwardly attempted forward pass to me.

Young, while being tackled early in the game, threw the ball into the ground. Called a fumble. Reviewed, and called a pass with no intentional grounding. If Bennett's "pass" was ruled a "pass", they said it would be intentional grounding. Then there was the 30 yard intentional grounding call on Bennett, when he wasn't really in danger of being sacked. I clearly don't understand the rule any more.

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and the H e i s m a n winner throws a pic six to seal the game for the Bulldogs. I think I saw a poster here say he was way overrated. Oh wait, that was me.

[cardcrimson]

Can somebody explain what intentional grounding is and what constitutes a forward pass? Bennett's arm was moving forward, the ball goes forward, and it's a fumble.

Looks like an awkwardly attempted forward pass to me.

Young, while being tackled early in the game, threw the ball into the ground. Called a fumble. Reviewed, and called a pass with no intentional grounding. If Bennett's "pass" was ruled a "pass", they said it would be intentional grounding. Then there was the 30 yard intentional grounding call on Bennett, when he wasn't really in danger of being sacked. I clearly don't understand the rule any more.

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and the H e i s m a n winner throws a pic six to seal the game for the Bulldogs. I think I saw a poster here say he was way overrated. Oh wait, that was me.

[BostonCard]

Sorry, CC. I only watched the last 5 min, where Georgia outscored Alabama 14-0.

As much as your household may be sad, I have a feeling it’s all smiles in the slide household.

BC

[BostonCard]

Sorry, CC. I only watched the last 5 min, where Georgia outscored Alabama 14-0.

As much as your household may be sad, I have a feeling it’s all smiles in the slide household.

BC