[SUBuddha]

Garvin I would have to ask. He was '65 MS'67.

[SUBuddha]

Garvin I would have to ask. He was '65 MS'67.

[terry]

So, SUBuddha -- was the coach your dad met as a walk-on Cactus Jack Curtice? When I was a student, the mention of Cactus Jack (who preceded John Ralston) brought shudders from alumni, who considered his coaching stint to be the dark ages of Stanford football. I wonder how many of them wrote Cactus Jack letters of apology once the Buddy/Idiotface era was in its full, dark bloom.

I don't think Cactus Jack received too many apologies. The fans I know who lived through that era still haven't forgotten, or forgiven, Curtice's 0-10 season in 1960.

On the numbers, Curtice was every bit as bad as Teevens/Harris. Winning percentages:

.280  Curtice (14-36)
.286  Teevens/Harris (16-40)

[terry]

So, SUBuddha -- was the coach your dad met as a walk-on Cactus Jack Curtice? When I was a student, the mention of Cactus Jack (who preceded John Ralston) brought shudders from alumni, who considered his coaching stint to be the dark ages of Stanford football. I wonder how many of them wrote Cactus Jack letters of apology once the Buddy/Idiotface era was in its full, dark bloom.

I don't think Cactus Jack received too many apologies. The fans I know who lived through that era still haven't forgotten, or forgiven, Curtice's 0-10 season in 1960.

On the numbers, Curtice was every bit as bad as Teevens/Harris. Winning percentages:

.280  Curtice (14-36)
.286  Teevens/Harris (16-40)

[JohnR34231]

Yes, but the oddity was that Curtice's performance was actually improving when he was fired. He was 5-5 in his final season. Idiotface was moving in the other direction, rapidly.

Another oddity: Curtice coached at four other schools and was reasonably successful at all of them. His non-Stanford career record was 121-84-8.

When you consider the fact that Stanford was the only school in the conference that didn't offer athletic scholarships in those days, Cactus Jack was definitely coaching with one hand tied behind his back.

[JohnR34231]

Yes, but the oddity was that Curtice's performance was actually improving when he was fired. He was 5-5 in his final season. Idiotface was moving in the other direction, rapidly.

Another oddity: Curtice coached at four other schools and was reasonably successful at all of them. His non-Stanford career record was 121-84-8.

When you consider the fact that Stanford was the only school in the conference that didn't offer athletic scholarships in those days, Cactus Jack was definitely coaching with one hand tied behind his back.

[bazza97]

When you consider the fact that Stanford was the only school in the conference that didn't offer athletic scholarships in those days, Cactus Jack was definitely coaching with one hand tied behind his back.

When did Stanford start offering scholarships?

edited because I messed up in quoting JPRI.

[bazza97]

When you consider the fact that Stanford was the only school in the conference that didn't offer athletic scholarships in those days, Cactus Jack was definitely coaching with one hand tied behind his back.

When did Stanford start offering scholarships?

edited because I messed up in quoting JPRI.

[Extra Point]

When you consider the fact that Stanford was the only school in the conference that didn't offer athletic scholarships in those days, Cactus Jack was definitely coaching with one hand tied behind his back.

What were admission standards like in those days? Did football players get special consideration?

[Extra Point]

When you consider the fact that Stanford was the only school in the conference that didn't offer athletic scholarships in those days, Cactus Jack was definitely coaching with one hand tied behind his back.

What were admission standards like in those days? Did football players get special consideration?