12-07-2013, 02:39 AM
Harvard prof says grade inflation rampant
12-07-2013, 08:28 AM
Matt Yglesias had an interesting post about this saying that if you count population growth and the influx of capable international students, it's actually totally possible that the average Harvard student now is equivalent to a true A- student in the 70's.
I think it's more likely that it's just grade inflation, but his point is worth keeping in mind.
I think it's more likely that it's just grade inflation, but his point is worth keeping in mind.
Matt Yglesias had an interesting post about this saying that if you count population growth and the influx of capable international students, it's actually totally possible that the average Harvard student now is equivalent to a true A- student in the 70's.
I think it's more likely that it's just grade inflation, but his point is worth keeping in mind.
I think it's more likely that it's just grade inflation, but his point is worth keeping in mind.
12-07-2013, 09:28 AM
I remember a similar claim being made about Stanford many years ago. Someone had compared the grade point averages of graduating students to average grades given 20 years earlier and discovered grade inflation. The Daily ran an article on this and a few days later a letter to the editor pointed out that this was not a good comparison. Of course the graduating students had higher averages than the average grade given. Students receiving low grades are less likely to graduate.
I remember a similar claim being made about Stanford many years ago. Someone had compared the grade point averages of graduating students to average grades given 20 years earlier and discovered grade inflation. The Daily ran an article on this and a few days later a letter to the editor pointed out that this was not a good comparison. Of course the graduating students had higher averages than the average grade given. Students receiving low grades are less likely to graduate.
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12-07-2013, 09:44 AM
I remember that Stanford article, I think it was in Time and it showed a graphic of Beavis & Butthead wearing Stanford graduation hats. It spotlighted the practice where you used to be able to drop a class the day of the final and have it disappear from your transcript. Subsequently I believe they changed that rule to where you had to drop it much earlier and/or retake the class to have it disappear.
Unfortunately, many companies nowadays require minimum GPAs and do not differentiate by school. So students are forced to think of the job/learning tradeoff. I liked the old Stanford system, it encouraged you to take risk-- try classes you might have otherwise have avoided without the fear of a bad grade. With our tuition costs, it's not like students were doing this frequently (otherwise it would take 5-6 years to graduate). I would imagine the fear of not getting a 3.5 GPA and a job is causing students to take easier classes and professors to feel guilty giving out Bs. Â
Unfortunately, many companies nowadays require minimum GPAs and do not differentiate by school. So students are forced to think of the job/learning tradeoff. I liked the old Stanford system, it encouraged you to take risk-- try classes you might have otherwise have avoided without the fear of a bad grade. With our tuition costs, it's not like students were doing this frequently (otherwise it would take 5-6 years to graduate). I would imagine the fear of not getting a 3.5 GPA and a job is causing students to take easier classes and professors to feel guilty giving out Bs. Â
I remember that Stanford article, I think it was in Time and it showed a graphic of Beavis & Butthead wearing Stanford graduation hats. It spotlighted the practice where you used to be able to drop a class the day of the final and have it disappear from your transcript. Subsequently I believe they changed that rule to where you had to drop it much earlier and/or retake the class to have it disappear.
Unfortunately, many companies nowadays require minimum GPAs and do not differentiate by school. So students are forced to think of the job/learning tradeoff. I liked the old Stanford system, it encouraged you to take risk-- try classes you might have otherwise have avoided without the fear of a bad grade. With our tuition costs, it's not like students were doing this frequently (otherwise it would take 5-6 years to graduate). I would imagine the fear of not getting a 3.5 GPA and a job is causing students to take easier classes and professors to feel guilty giving out Bs. Â
Unfortunately, many companies nowadays require minimum GPAs and do not differentiate by school. So students are forced to think of the job/learning tradeoff. I liked the old Stanford system, it encouraged you to take risk-- try classes you might have otherwise have avoided without the fear of a bad grade. With our tuition costs, it's not like students were doing this frequently (otherwise it would take 5-6 years to graduate). I would imagine the fear of not getting a 3.5 GPA and a job is causing students to take easier classes and professors to feel guilty giving out Bs. Â
12-07-2013, 11:19 AM
(12-07-2013, 09:44 AM)norcalcard link Wrote:Unfortunately, many companies nowadays require minimum GPAs and do not differentiate by school.
Really?
This was many years ago, of course, as I am only a little bit younger than Garvin, but prospective employers never asked for my GPA, even in the days when I didn't have much experience on my resume to boost my odds of getting a job. The only time I've ever been asked about my grades was in applying for grad school. Then, as now, the reputation of schools where I received my degrees went a long way in the application process.
When we look at intern applications, we want GPAs to help in assessing if students can handle the workload and their coursework for the time we have them. Some applicants for nonintern positions have put their GPAs on their resumes, but writing samples are a much better indicator for journalism jobs. I can think of several honors grads we've hired who flamed out in the real world. Maybe that's the schools' fault; they want to show high job placement numbers for their grads, so maybe there is a measure of grade inflation occurring. When I taught college courses (again, many years ago), I was a hard-ass grader. If they didn't meet my standard for each grade, they didn't get that grade. I probably handed out more C's and B's than anything else.
"To the press alone, checkered as it is with abuses, the world is indebted for all the triumphs which have been gained by reason and humanity over error and oppression." ~ James Madison
(12-07-2013, 09:44 AM)norcalcard link Wrote:Unfortunately, many companies nowadays require minimum GPAs and do not differentiate by school.
Really?
This was many years ago, of course, as I am only a little bit younger than Garvin, but prospective employers never asked for my GPA, even in the days when I didn't have much experience on my resume to boost my odds of getting a job. The only time I've ever been asked about my grades was in applying for grad school. Then, as now, the reputation of schools where I received my degrees went a long way in the application process.
When we look at intern applications, we want GPAs to help in assessing if students can handle the workload and their coursework for the time we have them. Some applicants for nonintern positions have put their GPAs on their resumes, but writing samples are a much better indicator for journalism jobs. I can think of several honors grads we've hired who flamed out in the real world. Maybe that's the schools' fault; they want to show high job placement numbers for their grads, so maybe there is a measure of grade inflation occurring. When I taught college courses (again, many years ago), I was a hard-ass grader. If they didn't meet my standard for each grade, they didn't get that grade. I probably handed out more C's and B's than anything else.
"To the press alone, checkered as it is with abuses, the world is indebted for all the triumphs which have been gained by reason and humanity over error and oppression." ~ James Madison
12-07-2013, 12:14 PM
My son is a senior at Princeton where there is rampant grade deflation. Only 35% of all students are allowed to get an A in any class. it has been thus for about a decade now. No one except the provost is happy about it. Apparently, the arrogant thinking was that if Princeton stopped the runaway grading inflation, the other schools would have a collective gasp of realization that their way was the wrong way, and dammit, back to an average C+ grading system.
Princeton might be backtracking, though: http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/10/...-as/70270/
Of course, Hahvahd and Yale and Stanford and others just laaaaaaaaugh long and loud at Princeton. The policy hasn't stunted admissions applications, which was one fear. Growth in applications from class of 2007 to class of 2017 increased slightly more at Princeton (68.5%) compared to Harvard (66.9%) or Yale (67.0%).
Princeton might be backtracking, though: http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/10/...-as/70270/
Of course, Hahvahd and Yale and Stanford and others just laaaaaaaaugh long and loud at Princeton. The policy hasn't stunted admissions applications, which was one fear. Growth in applications from class of 2007 to class of 2017 increased slightly more at Princeton (68.5%) compared to Harvard (66.9%) or Yale (67.0%).
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My son is a senior at Princeton where there is rampant grade deflation. Only 35% of all students are allowed to get an A in any class. it has been thus for about a decade now. No one except the provost is happy about it. Apparently, the arrogant thinking was that if Princeton stopped the runaway grading inflation, the other schools would have a collective gasp of realization that their way was the wrong way, and dammit, back to an average C+ grading system.
Princeton might be backtracking, though: http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/10/...-as/70270/
Of course, Hahvahd and Yale and Stanford and others just laaaaaaaaugh long and loud at Princeton. The policy hasn't stunted admissions applications, which was one fear. Growth in applications from class of 2007 to class of 2017 increased slightly more at Princeton (68.5%) compared to Harvard (66.9%) or Yale (67.0%).
Princeton might be backtracking, though: http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/10/...-as/70270/
Of course, Hahvahd and Yale and Stanford and others just laaaaaaaaugh long and loud at Princeton. The policy hasn't stunted admissions applications, which was one fear. Growth in applications from class of 2007 to class of 2017 increased slightly more at Princeton (68.5%) compared to Harvard (66.9%) or Yale (67.0%).
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12-07-2013, 01:10 PM
I am pretty sure the D was restored at some point before the 90s when I arrived, though I am not 100% sure about that.Â
I found some more info on the minimum GPAs. Our company has a minimum and I think it's 3.00 or 3.25.Â
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/31/jobs/3...d=all&_r=0
From the article:
I found some more info on the minimum GPAs. Our company has a minimum and I think it's 3.00 or 3.25.Â
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/31/jobs/3...d=all&_r=0
From the article:
Quote: Often companies will advise college admissions officers and recruiters that they will not see anyone with less than a B (3.0) average. In some ultracompetitive industries or companies the cutoff point is even higher.....in the past it was generally the financial and accounting companies demanding high grades as an important hiring criteria. But in the last few years she has seen that trend expand to include consulting, retail training programs, science and technology and consumer products.
I am pretty sure the D was restored at some point before the 90s when I arrived, though I am not 100% sure about that.Â
I found some more info on the minimum GPAs. Our company has a minimum and I think it's 3.00 or 3.25.Â
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/31/jobs/3...d=all&_r=0
From the article:
I found some more info on the minimum GPAs. Our company has a minimum and I think it's 3.00 or 3.25.Â
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/31/jobs/3...d=all&_r=0
From the article:
Quote: Often companies will advise college admissions officers and recruiters that they will not see anyone with less than a B (3.0) average. In some ultracompetitive industries or companies the cutoff point is even higher.....in the past it was generally the financial and accounting companies demanding high grades as an important hiring criteria. But in the last few years she has seen that trend expand to include consulting, retail training programs, science and technology and consumer products.
12-10-2013, 10:55 AM
(12-07-2013, 11:19 AM)Kathy link Wrote:[quote author=norcalcard link=topic=9055.msg77033#msg77033 date=1386434650]
Unfortunately, many companies nowadays require minimum GPAs and do not differentiate by school.
Really?
[/quote]
I think many Stanford grads are not trying to get the jobs that sit in this zone, but there are companies that have entry level jobs or management development programs that specify minimal GPAs. Sometimes the companies will not publicize hard GPA rules, but will reject applicants with lower GPAs.
A lot of companies have tuition reimbursement programs for employees, but require the employees to get certain grades in the classes to get reimbursement. That would not be an issue at Stanford since Stanford does not have many part-time students, but I am sure there are a lot of places where the part-time students come in after an exam and beg for a B- rather than a C+.
Also, even at Stanford, there were a number of people with scholarships tied to a GPA level. It seems to me that those types of programs create horrible incentives, but oh well.
In the end, I think the average Stanford student tracks GPA for grad school concerns, but even at Stanford there are some that NEED a certain grade for various financial reasons. And I would guess faculty at every university hate those situations where a rather trivial grade (B- vs B) change could seemingly alter the educational path of a student.
(12-07-2013, 11:19 AM)Kathy link Wrote:[quote author=norcalcard link=topic=9055.msg77033#msg77033 date=1386434650]
Unfortunately, many companies nowadays require minimum GPAs and do not differentiate by school.
Really?
[/quote]
I think many Stanford grads are not trying to get the jobs that sit in this zone, but there are companies that have entry level jobs or management development programs that specify minimal GPAs. Sometimes the companies will not publicize hard GPA rules, but will reject applicants with lower GPAs.
A lot of companies have tuition reimbursement programs for employees, but require the employees to get certain grades in the classes to get reimbursement. That would not be an issue at Stanford since Stanford does not have many part-time students, but I am sure there are a lot of places where the part-time students come in after an exam and beg for a B- rather than a C+.
Also, even at Stanford, there were a number of people with scholarships tied to a GPA level. It seems to me that those types of programs create horrible incentives, but oh well.
In the end, I think the average Stanford student tracks GPA for grad school concerns, but even at Stanford there are some that NEED a certain grade for various financial reasons. And I would guess faculty at every university hate those situations where a rather trivial grade (B- vs B) change could seemingly alter the educational path of a student.
12-10-2013, 11:18 AM
Google used to have a de facto GPA cutoff of 3.5, not sure if it has been relaxed as they have had to pick up hiring.
12-10-2013, 12:38 PM
My frosh year, I had an English teacher who promised all of us that if we worked hard, did multiple rewrites, listened closely, it was possible to earn a "C" in his class. He said, "I'm not promising anything, but some of you may even get "B's." As for A's? He said "An 'A' is a publishable paper. When one of you produces something that can be published, we can talk about an 'A.'"
True to his word, he gave out 16 C's, four D's, one F and 5 B's. No A's. A good friend of mine had straight A's through school, except for the C in that class.
True to his word, he gave out 16 C's, four D's, one F and 5 B's. No A's. A good friend of mine had straight A's through school, except for the C in that class.
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My frosh year, I had an English teacher who promised all of us that if we worked hard, did multiple rewrites, listened closely, it was possible to earn a "C" in his class. He said, "I'm not promising anything, but some of you may even get "B's." As for A's? He said "An 'A' is a publishable paper. When one of you produces something that can be published, we can talk about an 'A.'"
True to his word, he gave out 16 C's, four D's, one F and 5 B's. No A's. A good friend of mine had straight A's through school, except for the C in that class.
True to his word, he gave out 16 C's, four D's, one F and 5 B's. No A's. A good friend of mine had straight A's through school, except for the C in that class.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
12-10-2013, 01:32 PM
Meanwhile, back at the State run institutions students have a much different situation. Because of economic problems, many schools are lowering admission standards and admitting way more students. It is not uncommon for a State school to admit three times as many students as they intend to graduate. Many of these students flunk out during their first year in designated "weed out" classes. The flunk out rate for calculus, for example, is typically 40%. The last day to drop a class without penalty is typically during the third week. Sometimes the first test for weed out classes are given the day after the drop out date. But, before the F's are passed out, the schools send letters to all of the parents asking for donations. In many curriculum's, the serious students have to survive weed out classes into their junior year. The last weed out classes are called "shark tanks!" For those that graduate, it generally takes a minimum 3.0 GPA to get interviews through on campus recruiting. About 3% of graduates get hired this way.
Meanwhile, back at the State run institutions students have a much different situation. Because of economic problems, many schools are lowering admission standards and admitting way more students. It is not uncommon for a State school to admit three times as many students as they intend to graduate. Many of these students flunk out during their first year in designated "weed out" classes. The flunk out rate for calculus, for example, is typically 40%. The last day to drop a class without penalty is typically during the third week. Sometimes the first test for weed out classes are given the day after the drop out date. But, before the F's are passed out, the schools send letters to all of the parents asking for donations. In many curriculum's, the serious students have to survive weed out classes into their junior year. The last weed out classes are called "shark tanks!" For those that graduate, it generally takes a minimum 3.0 GPA to get interviews through on campus recruiting. About 3% of graduates get hired this way.
12-10-2013, 01:39 PM
(12-10-2013, 01:32 PM)Extra Point link Wrote:Meanwhile, back at the State run institutions students have a much different situation. Because of economic problems, many schools are lowering admission standards and admitting way more students. It is not uncommon for a State school to admit three times as many students as they intend to graduate. Many of these students flunk out during their first year in designated "weed out" classes. The flunk out rate for calculus, for example, is typically 40%. The last day to drop a class without penalty is typically during the third week. Sometimes the first test for weed out classes are given the day after the drop out date. But, before the F's are passed out, the schools send letters to all of the parents asking for donations. In many curriculum's, the serious students have to survive weed out classes into their junior year. The last weed out classes are called "shark tanks!" For those that graduate, it generally takes a minimum 3.0 GPA to get interviews through on campus recruiting. About 3% of graduates get hired this way.
I don't think the state school weeding-out phenomenon is anything new. Back in the mid-60s, new frosh at the University of Wisconsin would be gathered in the field house and whoever was running the assembly would say, "Look to the left of you and then to your right. One of those two people will not be here next semester." I have no idea whether that actually happened -- I had the good fortune to go to Stanford, after all -- but it sure freaked out a bunch of my high school classmates...
(12-10-2013, 01:32 PM)Extra Point link Wrote:Meanwhile, back at the State run institutions students have a much different situation. Because of economic problems, many schools are lowering admission standards and admitting way more students. It is not uncommon for a State school to admit three times as many students as they intend to graduate. Many of these students flunk out during their first year in designated "weed out" classes. The flunk out rate for calculus, for example, is typically 40%. The last day to drop a class without penalty is typically during the third week. Sometimes the first test for weed out classes are given the day after the drop out date. But, before the F's are passed out, the schools send letters to all of the parents asking for donations. In many curriculum's, the serious students have to survive weed out classes into their junior year. The last weed out classes are called "shark tanks!" For those that graduate, it generally takes a minimum 3.0 GPA to get interviews through on campus recruiting. About 3% of graduates get hired this way.
I don't think the state school weeding-out phenomenon is anything new. Back in the mid-60s, new frosh at the University of Wisconsin would be gathered in the field house and whoever was running the assembly would say, "Look to the left of you and then to your right. One of those two people will not be here next semester." I have no idea whether that actually happened -- I had the good fortune to go to Stanford, after all -- but it sure freaked out a bunch of my high school classmates...
12-10-2013, 01:45 PM
I attended my sophomore year at the University of Illinois--Urbana-Champaign, one of the top public engineering schools in the country. I have to say honestly that Stanford classes were WAY harder than UIUC classes. UIUC classes were taught at a lower level and had much more average students to lower the curve. When I returned to Stanford, I was told things like, "We can't give you full credit for your year of chemistry at UIUC because that's what we cover in first quarter chemistry at Stanford."
Hence, I'm okay with grade inflation at Stanford. I genuinely believe that "average" work when your peers are the best in the country deserves a B.
Hence, I'm okay with grade inflation at Stanford. I genuinely believe that "average" work when your peers are the best in the country deserves a B.
I attended my sophomore year at the University of Illinois--Urbana-Champaign, one of the top public engineering schools in the country. I have to say honestly that Stanford classes were WAY harder than UIUC classes. UIUC classes were taught at a lower level and had much more average students to lower the curve. When I returned to Stanford, I was told things like, "We can't give you full credit for your year of chemistry at UIUC because that's what we cover in first quarter chemistry at Stanford."
Hence, I'm okay with grade inflation at Stanford. I genuinely believe that "average" work when your peers are the best in the country deserves a B.
Hence, I'm okay with grade inflation at Stanford. I genuinely believe that "average" work when your peers are the best in the country deserves a B.
12-10-2013, 01:45 PM
(12-10-2013, 01:39 PM)Nan3cy link Wrote:I don't think the state school weeding-out phenomenon is anything new. Back in the mid-60s, new frosh at the University of Wisconsin would be gathered in the field house and whoever was running the assembly would say, "Look to the left of you and then to your right. One of those two people will not be here next semester." I have no idea whether that actually happened -- I had the good fortune to go to Stanford, after all -- but it sure freaked out a bunch of my high school classmates...
Huh, that actually happened? I mostly know it through various TV shows or movies making fun of it. (The one that sticks in my mind most is Futurama: "Look to your left, then to your right. Then look in nine other directions. One of the twelve of you will not pass this class.")
(12-10-2013, 01:39 PM)Nan3cy link Wrote:I don't think the state school weeding-out phenomenon is anything new. Back in the mid-60s, new frosh at the University of Wisconsin would be gathered in the field house and whoever was running the assembly would say, "Look to the left of you and then to your right. One of those two people will not be here next semester." I have no idea whether that actually happened -- I had the good fortune to go to Stanford, after all -- but it sure freaked out a bunch of my high school classmates...
Huh, that actually happened? I mostly know it through various TV shows or movies making fun of it. (The one that sticks in my mind most is Futurama: "Look to your left, then to your right. Then look in nine other directions. One of the twelve of you will not pass this class.")
12-10-2013, 02:30 PM
(12-10-2013, 01:39 PM)Nan3cy link Wrote:I don't think the state school weeding-out phenomenon is anything new.
Weeding out is not new. But, it is getting worse! More students, fewer resouces, more pain for unsuspecting students.
(12-10-2013, 01:39 PM)Nan3cy link Wrote:I don't think the state school weeding-out phenomenon is anything new.
Weeding out is not new. But, it is getting worse! More students, fewer resouces, more pain for unsuspecting students.
12-10-2013, 03:06 PM
(12-10-2013, 02:14 PM)Publius link Wrote:I heard of a clever way a chemistry prof at Stanford "inflated" grades. He administered a standardized exam used nationally and curved his class against the national distribution. Just about everybody in the class got an A or A+.
It was actually a pretty funny 5 option multiple choice exam. My friend showed it to me and explained that through some smart guessing you could do well on the exam without looking at the questions. It was all chemical formulas and you could tell that because two of the formulas looked similar, one of those two was probably the answer, and that a 3rd formula had a similarity that was meant to throw you off, but actually revealed which one of the two was the right answer. He had me take the exam and sure enough I got 50% right even though I had no idea what any of the questions even meant.
It was the only time I saw a multiple guess exam at Stanford. A close friend of mine transferred from UCLA to UChicago because he was insulted at how easy UCLA was. "They had me taking multiple choice tests! High school was easier." I wonder how undergraduate experiences really differ. Only the transfer students know. I have a decent sense of Harvard and it seemed comparable if not easier.
I took a good number of tests that had multiple-choice components, but it was never the entirety of the test.
(12-10-2013, 02:14 PM)Publius link Wrote:I heard of a clever way a chemistry prof at Stanford "inflated" grades. He administered a standardized exam used nationally and curved his class against the national distribution. Just about everybody in the class got an A or A+.
It was actually a pretty funny 5 option multiple choice exam. My friend showed it to me and explained that through some smart guessing you could do well on the exam without looking at the questions. It was all chemical formulas and you could tell that because two of the formulas looked similar, one of those two was probably the answer, and that a 3rd formula had a similarity that was meant to throw you off, but actually revealed which one of the two was the right answer. He had me take the exam and sure enough I got 50% right even though I had no idea what any of the questions even meant.
It was the only time I saw a multiple guess exam at Stanford. A close friend of mine transferred from UCLA to UChicago because he was insulted at how easy UCLA was. "They had me taking multiple choice tests! High school was easier." I wonder how undergraduate experiences really differ. Only the transfer students know. I have a decent sense of Harvard and it seemed comparable if not easier.
I took a good number of tests that had multiple-choice components, but it was never the entirety of the test.
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12-10-2013, 03:42 PM
Those football players who flunked out or dropped by the academic wayside are just victims of the opposite: Kal's too-draconian grade deflation. It's a wonder how anyone graduates over there. Even if you get good grades, there are the snipers in the tower just picking off scholars at random every damned day. But at least they're not coddled, like at some places we know...so there's that.
Those football players who flunked out or dropped by the academic wayside are just victims of the opposite: Kal's too-draconian grade deflation. It's a wonder how anyone graduates over there. Even if you get good grades, there are the snipers in the tower just picking off scholars at random every damned day. But at least they're not coddled, like at some places we know...so there's that.
12-10-2013, 06:32 PM
I remember seeing a stat my freshman year that only 68% of the SCU freshmen graduated, but 94% of the sophomores did. The weeding out was pretty brutal. Average gpa there was a 2.68 my frosh year. Pretty painful for the formerly straight A kids.
Heard the same about UCLA. The informal tour we had around the UCLA campus was from a family friend, graduated from my son's high school about three years earlier. He said UCLA wasn't as difficult as high school. He was English, not EE/CS, but still...
Heard the same about UCLA. The informal tour we had around the UCLA campus was from a family friend, graduated from my son's high school about three years earlier. He said UCLA wasn't as difficult as high school. He was English, not EE/CS, but still...
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I remember seeing a stat my freshman year that only 68% of the SCU freshmen graduated, but 94% of the sophomores did. The weeding out was pretty brutal. Average gpa there was a 2.68 my frosh year. Pretty painful for the formerly straight A kids.
Heard the same about UCLA. The informal tour we had around the UCLA campus was from a family friend, graduated from my son's high school about three years earlier. He said UCLA wasn't as difficult as high school. He was English, not EE/CS, but still...
Heard the same about UCLA. The informal tour we had around the UCLA campus was from a family friend, graduated from my son's high school about three years earlier. He said UCLA wasn't as difficult as high school. He was English, not EE/CS, but still...
Audaces fortuna iuvat
12-10-2013, 07:13 PM
For the benefit of parents with marginal students, there are ways around the weeding out process. Most State universities are required to accept transfer students from in-state junior colleges who offer the same weed-out courses with less brutality. Likewise, when a student transfers from one State school to another State school, only the grades greater than a C are transferable. A kid that got weeded out at one school can improve his or her GPA simply by transfering. And, the failing grades do not appear on the transcripts.
For the benefit of parents with marginal students, there are ways around the weeding out process. Most State universities are required to accept transfer students from in-state junior colleges who offer the same weed-out courses with less brutality. Likewise, when a student transfers from one State school to another State school, only the grades greater than a C are transferable. A kid that got weeded out at one school can improve his or her GPA simply by transfering. And, the failing grades do not appear on the transcripts.
12-24-2013, 07:13 AM
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12...story.html
In case, you guys from outside New England missed this. A Harvard student emailed in a bomb threat to avoid exams. Two thoughts:
1. Guess he was worried about getting an A minus
2. A more computer savvy MIT or Stanford student would have covered their tracks better.
In case, you guys from outside New England missed this. A Harvard student emailed in a bomb threat to avoid exams. Two thoughts:
1. Guess he was worried about getting an A minus
2. A more computer savvy MIT or Stanford student would have covered their tracks better.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12...story.html
In case, you guys from outside New England missed this. A Harvard student emailed in a bomb threat to avoid exams. Two thoughts:
1. Guess he was worried about getting an A minus
2. A more computer savvy MIT or Stanford student would have covered their tracks better.
In case, you guys from outside New England missed this. A Harvard student emailed in a bomb threat to avoid exams. Two thoughts:
1. Guess he was worried about getting an A minus
2. A more computer savvy MIT or Stanford student would have covered their tracks better.
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