11-29-2014, 09:13 PM
Up 13 after 2 straight Lili 3-pointers. She is 6/7 from 3!
WBB: Stanford 86 Hawaii 73 final
Up 13 after 2 straight Lili 3-pointers. She is 6/7 from 3!
11-29-2014, 09:20 PM
Now refs calling the ticky tack on Hawaii... With under 2 minutes to play. ::)
Now refs calling the ticky tack on Hawaii... With under 2 minutes to play. ::)
11-29-2014, 09:26 PM
86-73 win. Whew. Here's a stt. Every Stanford player except one, ???, shot 50% or better.Â
11-29-2014, 09:32 PM
Yes, I was kind of astonished that Hawai'i picked up their second team foul with about 8 minutes to go in the second half. Both halves felt like the officials looked up about midway through and realized how lopsided their calls were, and made up for them late; in the first half, the Bows were in the bonus with more than 12 minutes left.
More important: McCall 5-8 11 pts and 9 rebs, Johnson 5-5 10 pts 8 rebs. The beginnings of a more legitimate inside threat, the slow development of which you can put down to Tara's reluctance to play them extended minutes with Chiney and Mikaela last season. Of the three primary post players, the one who got the most minutes in the role last year was probably a fourth - Taylor.
VG
More important: McCall 5-8 11 pts and 9 rebs, Johnson 5-5 10 pts 8 rebs. The beginnings of a more legitimate inside threat, the slow development of which you can put down to Tara's reluctance to play them extended minutes with Chiney and Mikaela last season. Of the three primary post players, the one who got the most minutes in the role last year was probably a fourth - Taylor.
VG
Yes, I was kind of astonished that Hawai'i picked up their second team foul with about 8 minutes to go in the second half. Both halves felt like the officials looked up about midway through and realized how lopsided their calls were, and made up for them late; in the first half, the Bows were in the bonus with more than 12 minutes left.
More important: McCall 5-8 11 pts and 9 rebs, Johnson 5-5 10 pts 8 rebs. The beginnings of a more legitimate inside threat, the slow development of which you can put down to Tara's reluctance to play them extended minutes with Chiney and Mikaela last season. Of the three primary post players, the one who got the most minutes in the role last year was probably a fourth - Taylor.
VG
More important: McCall 5-8 11 pts and 9 rebs, Johnson 5-5 10 pts 8 rebs. The beginnings of a more legitimate inside threat, the slow development of which you can put down to Tara's reluctance to play them extended minutes with Chiney and Mikaela last season. Of the three primary post players, the one who got the most minutes in the role last year was probably a fourth - Taylor.
VG
11-29-2014, 09:37 PM
Well, it was Kaylee who was 5-5. Tara couldn't play her much last year while she was still in high school. :P
Well, it was Kaylee who was 5-5. Tara couldn't play her much last year while she was still in high school. :P
11-29-2014, 09:38 PM
Stanford 86 Hawaii 73
We certainly did not dominate Hawaii, but there were some very positive signs on offense.Â
While we stare at Lili's gaudy stats--hitting 6/7 from three--much more important for the long run were the way our guards were playing.
Lili had 5 assists and Amber had 8 assists. Both of them drove toward the basket off the pick and roll and then dished either to the screener or to someone else. This has become the heart of our offense and tonight we were able to see it working more often than not. The screeners rolled out and made short jumpers or layups. Some of those assists went to a three point shooter. I think in earlier games our guards tried to take it to the basket off of every pick, but tonight they dished for assists more often than they drove. This is necessary now that other teams are using defenses specifically designed to block driving guards--especially Lili.
Our 57% shooting, 67% from three, will win just about any game we are in. But we can't count on weak defenses that permit that every time. Instead, we need to improve our defense so we have a chance to beat the Texas and NC teams. We did show some improvement on defense tonight--allowing only 35%. We switched into zone a few times, probably because Hawaii was only shooting 27% from three.
One bad stat--we turned it over 15 times compared with their 7. Plus they scored 26 points off of free throws compared with our 12. Those two stats kept this from being a blowout. Before we dismiss the fouls as idiosyncratic--over the years most all of our bigs have fouled a lot early in their careers. McCall, Kaylee, and Karlie all had 4 tonight.Â
All in all, great improvement on offense, showing signs of learning and a lot more motion. Somewhat better defense than last night's second half, but we need to do better. For example, why did we give Hawaii 15 offensive rebounds?
McCall had a good game all around, with 11 points and 9 rebounds. Kaylee did too with 10 points and 8 rebounds.
I am very encouraged by Amber's play tonight, with 19 points and 8 assists. And of course Lili, whose merits have already been extolled.Â
We certainly did not dominate Hawaii, but there were some very positive signs on offense.Â
While we stare at Lili's gaudy stats--hitting 6/7 from three--much more important for the long run were the way our guards were playing.
Lili had 5 assists and Amber had 8 assists. Both of them drove toward the basket off the pick and roll and then dished either to the screener or to someone else. This has become the heart of our offense and tonight we were able to see it working more often than not. The screeners rolled out and made short jumpers or layups. Some of those assists went to a three point shooter. I think in earlier games our guards tried to take it to the basket off of every pick, but tonight they dished for assists more often than they drove. This is necessary now that other teams are using defenses specifically designed to block driving guards--especially Lili.
Our 57% shooting, 67% from three, will win just about any game we are in. But we can't count on weak defenses that permit that every time. Instead, we need to improve our defense so we have a chance to beat the Texas and NC teams. We did show some improvement on defense tonight--allowing only 35%. We switched into zone a few times, probably because Hawaii was only shooting 27% from three.
One bad stat--we turned it over 15 times compared with their 7. Plus they scored 26 points off of free throws compared with our 12. Those two stats kept this from being a blowout. Before we dismiss the fouls as idiosyncratic--over the years most all of our bigs have fouled a lot early in their careers. McCall, Kaylee, and Karlie all had 4 tonight.Â
All in all, great improvement on offense, showing signs of learning and a lot more motion. Somewhat better defense than last night's second half, but we need to do better. For example, why did we give Hawaii 15 offensive rebounds?
McCall had a good game all around, with 11 points and 9 rebounds. Kaylee did too with 10 points and 8 rebounds.
I am very encouraged by Amber's play tonight, with 19 points and 8 assists. And of course Lili, whose merits have already been extolled.Â
Stanford 86 Hawaii 73
We certainly did not dominate Hawaii, but there were some very positive signs on offense.Â
While we stare at Lili's gaudy stats--hitting 6/7 from three--much more important for the long run were the way our guards were playing.
Lili had 5 assists and Amber had 8 assists. Both of them drove toward the basket off the pick and roll and then dished either to the screener or to someone else. This has become the heart of our offense and tonight we were able to see it working more often than not. The screeners rolled out and made short jumpers or layups. Some of those assists went to a three point shooter. I think in earlier games our guards tried to take it to the basket off of every pick, but tonight they dished for assists more often than they drove. This is necessary now that other teams are using defenses specifically designed to block driving guards--especially Lili.
Our 57% shooting, 67% from three, will win just about any game we are in. But we can't count on weak defenses that permit that every time. Instead, we need to improve our defense so we have a chance to beat the Texas and NC teams. We did show some improvement on defense tonight--allowing only 35%. We switched into zone a few times, probably because Hawaii was only shooting 27% from three.
One bad stat--we turned it over 15 times compared with their 7. Plus they scored 26 points off of free throws compared with our 12. Those two stats kept this from being a blowout. Before we dismiss the fouls as idiosyncratic--over the years most all of our bigs have fouled a lot early in their careers. McCall, Kaylee, and Karlie all had 4 tonight.Â
All in all, great improvement on offense, showing signs of learning and a lot more motion. Somewhat better defense than last night's second half, but we need to do better. For example, why did we give Hawaii 15 offensive rebounds?
McCall had a good game all around, with 11 points and 9 rebounds. Kaylee did too with 10 points and 8 rebounds.
I am very encouraged by Amber's play tonight, with 19 points and 8 assists. And of course Lili, whose merits have already been extolled.Â
We certainly did not dominate Hawaii, but there were some very positive signs on offense.Â
While we stare at Lili's gaudy stats--hitting 6/7 from three--much more important for the long run were the way our guards were playing.
Lili had 5 assists and Amber had 8 assists. Both of them drove toward the basket off the pick and roll and then dished either to the screener or to someone else. This has become the heart of our offense and tonight we were able to see it working more often than not. The screeners rolled out and made short jumpers or layups. Some of those assists went to a three point shooter. I think in earlier games our guards tried to take it to the basket off of every pick, but tonight they dished for assists more often than they drove. This is necessary now that other teams are using defenses specifically designed to block driving guards--especially Lili.
Our 57% shooting, 67% from three, will win just about any game we are in. But we can't count on weak defenses that permit that every time. Instead, we need to improve our defense so we have a chance to beat the Texas and NC teams. We did show some improvement on defense tonight--allowing only 35%. We switched into zone a few times, probably because Hawaii was only shooting 27% from three.
One bad stat--we turned it over 15 times compared with their 7. Plus they scored 26 points off of free throws compared with our 12. Those two stats kept this from being a blowout. Before we dismiss the fouls as idiosyncratic--over the years most all of our bigs have fouled a lot early in their careers. McCall, Kaylee, and Karlie all had 4 tonight.Â
All in all, great improvement on offense, showing signs of learning and a lot more motion. Somewhat better defense than last night's second half, but we need to do better. For example, why did we give Hawaii 15 offensive rebounds?
McCall had a good game all around, with 11 points and 9 rebounds. Kaylee did too with 10 points and 8 rebounds.
I am very encouraged by Amber's play tonight, with 19 points and 8 assists. And of course Lili, whose merits have already been extolled.Â
11-29-2014, 09:53 PM
CS87--
Wrote that originally, but then edited when I saw that Bob had posted in the interim and forgot to reinsert it :).
In any case, I would've liked to have seen more minutes for McCall last year, as well as for Kailee. One nice thing about this tournament is that 10 players are getting minutes, and players can get themselves noticed - Bri especially, who appears to have won the third guard spot for now.
I think the zone was also a result of the foul trouble; the Rainbows's shooting woes were enabling, but I think that choice was more about protecting bigs in trouble.
A couple of other observations: McPhee came in for a minute, but looked completely lost on defense, and got pulled pretty quickly. I'd also like to see some more of Erica and any of Tess at some point, even if it's just to see what they can do defensively in helping out the starters when they get early fouls.
One more tomorrow, following the men against DePaul. And waiting on the women's v-ball selection show.
VG
Wrote that originally, but then edited when I saw that Bob had posted in the interim and forgot to reinsert it :).
In any case, I would've liked to have seen more minutes for McCall last year, as well as for Kailee. One nice thing about this tournament is that 10 players are getting minutes, and players can get themselves noticed - Bri especially, who appears to have won the third guard spot for now.
I think the zone was also a result of the foul trouble; the Rainbows's shooting woes were enabling, but I think that choice was more about protecting bigs in trouble.
A couple of other observations: McPhee came in for a minute, but looked completely lost on defense, and got pulled pretty quickly. I'd also like to see some more of Erica and any of Tess at some point, even if it's just to see what they can do defensively in helping out the starters when they get early fouls.
One more tomorrow, following the men against DePaul. And waiting on the women's v-ball selection show.
VG
CS87--
Wrote that originally, but then edited when I saw that Bob had posted in the interim and forgot to reinsert it :).
In any case, I would've liked to have seen more minutes for McCall last year, as well as for Kailee. One nice thing about this tournament is that 10 players are getting minutes, and players can get themselves noticed - Bri especially, who appears to have won the third guard spot for now.
I think the zone was also a result of the foul trouble; the Rainbows's shooting woes were enabling, but I think that choice was more about protecting bigs in trouble.
A couple of other observations: McPhee came in for a minute, but looked completely lost on defense, and got pulled pretty quickly. I'd also like to see some more of Erica and any of Tess at some point, even if it's just to see what they can do defensively in helping out the starters when they get early fouls.
One more tomorrow, following the men against DePaul. And waiting on the women's v-ball selection show.
VG
Wrote that originally, but then edited when I saw that Bob had posted in the interim and forgot to reinsert it :).
In any case, I would've liked to have seen more minutes for McCall last year, as well as for Kailee. One nice thing about this tournament is that 10 players are getting minutes, and players can get themselves noticed - Bri especially, who appears to have won the third guard spot for now.
I think the zone was also a result of the foul trouble; the Rainbows's shooting woes were enabling, but I think that choice was more about protecting bigs in trouble.
A couple of other observations: McPhee came in for a minute, but looked completely lost on defense, and got pulled pretty quickly. I'd also like to see some more of Erica and any of Tess at some point, even if it's just to see what they can do defensively in helping out the starters when they get early fouls.
One more tomorrow, following the men against DePaul. And waiting on the women's v-ball selection show.
VG
11-29-2014, 09:55 PM
It wasn't pretty, but it was a win. High points are almost exclusively the 3-point shooting. Take away the 3s, and Hawaii wins 58-50. Our FT at 80% was also good.
Most of our 3 point shots were wide open shots, as a result of good play and passing. That is a plus. But against a more athletic team, we may not get those open shots.
Hawaii pulled down 15 OR on 39 misses (38.4%) while Stanford pulled down 9 OR on 23 misses (39.1%). For both teams, the number of OR was too high, but Stanford did do negligibly better statistically. (Perhaps not better when you consider the height difference or the expected performance of the teams.)
The fact that we had 4 fouls on 3 players, and only 6 for the rest of the team is bothersome to me. If they go out, do we have any defense, any rebounding? (Those three had 12 of 18 fouls (exactly 2/3), and 21 of 34 rebounds (barely under 2/3).)
Yes, Taylor (the one under 50%) seemed pretty ineffective today. Esp. considering she played 26 minutes.
Interesting that Bonnie only played 3 minutes in the second half (no fouls, no shots, no rebounds).
But I have to say if Hawaii's starting players played the whole game, I think we might have lost.
Most of our 3 point shots were wide open shots, as a result of good play and passing. That is a plus. But against a more athletic team, we may not get those open shots.
Hawaii pulled down 15 OR on 39 misses (38.4%) while Stanford pulled down 9 OR on 23 misses (39.1%). For both teams, the number of OR was too high, but Stanford did do negligibly better statistically. (Perhaps not better when you consider the height difference or the expected performance of the teams.)
The fact that we had 4 fouls on 3 players, and only 6 for the rest of the team is bothersome to me. If they go out, do we have any defense, any rebounding? (Those three had 12 of 18 fouls (exactly 2/3), and 21 of 34 rebounds (barely under 2/3).)
Yes, Taylor (the one under 50%) seemed pretty ineffective today. Esp. considering she played 26 minutes.
Interesting that Bonnie only played 3 minutes in the second half (no fouls, no shots, no rebounds).
But I have to say if Hawaii's starting players played the whole game, I think we might have lost.
It wasn't pretty, but it was a win. High points are almost exclusively the 3-point shooting. Take away the 3s, and Hawaii wins 58-50. Our FT at 80% was also good.
Most of our 3 point shots were wide open shots, as a result of good play and passing. That is a plus. But against a more athletic team, we may not get those open shots.
Hawaii pulled down 15 OR on 39 misses (38.4%) while Stanford pulled down 9 OR on 23 misses (39.1%). For both teams, the number of OR was too high, but Stanford did do negligibly better statistically. (Perhaps not better when you consider the height difference or the expected performance of the teams.)
The fact that we had 4 fouls on 3 players, and only 6 for the rest of the team is bothersome to me. If they go out, do we have any defense, any rebounding? (Those three had 12 of 18 fouls (exactly 2/3), and 21 of 34 rebounds (barely under 2/3).)
Yes, Taylor (the one under 50%) seemed pretty ineffective today. Esp. considering she played 26 minutes.
Interesting that Bonnie only played 3 minutes in the second half (no fouls, no shots, no rebounds).
But I have to say if Hawaii's starting players played the whole game, I think we might have lost.
Most of our 3 point shots were wide open shots, as a result of good play and passing. That is a plus. But against a more athletic team, we may not get those open shots.
Hawaii pulled down 15 OR on 39 misses (38.4%) while Stanford pulled down 9 OR on 23 misses (39.1%). For both teams, the number of OR was too high, but Stanford did do negligibly better statistically. (Perhaps not better when you consider the height difference or the expected performance of the teams.)
The fact that we had 4 fouls on 3 players, and only 6 for the rest of the team is bothersome to me. If they go out, do we have any defense, any rebounding? (Those three had 12 of 18 fouls (exactly 2/3), and 21 of 34 rebounds (barely under 2/3).)
Yes, Taylor (the one under 50%) seemed pretty ineffective today. Esp. considering she played 26 minutes.
Interesting that Bonnie only played 3 minutes in the second half (no fouls, no shots, no rebounds).
But I have to say if Hawaii's starting players played the whole game, I think we might have lost.
11-29-2014, 10:38 PM
(11-29-2014, 07:56 AM)81alum link Wrote:First, an explanation about the Hawaii tournaments. Hawaii has to host a lot of tournaments to be able to get any home games during the non conference season--given its travel costs. No one wants to spend so much money and time for just a single game in Hawaii.
I wonder if the Stanford WBB team has enough clout to require the tournaments to webcast the game or we go elsewhere?Â
(11-29-2014, 07:56 AM)81alum link Wrote:First, an explanation about the Hawaii tournaments. Hawaii has to host a lot of tournaments to be able to get any home games during the non conference season--given its travel costs. No one wants to spend so much money and time for just a single game in Hawaii.
I wonder if the Stanford WBB team has enough clout to require the tournaments to webcast the game or we go elsewhere?Â
11-29-2014, 10:46 PM
Bob--
I think they're referring to the fact that the only games being webcast are Hawai'i's.
VG
I think they're referring to the fact that the only games being webcast are Hawai'i's.
VG
Bob--
I think they're referring to the fact that the only games being webcast are Hawai'i's.
VG
I think they're referring to the fact that the only games being webcast are Hawai'i's.
VG
11-29-2014, 10:52 PM
Random comment on fouls: some are due to trying to block too many shots instead of just getting a hand up to challenge.
Random comment on fouls: some are due to trying to block too many shots instead of just getting a hand up to challenge.
11-30-2014, 06:27 AM
I just noticed over on Marian Cortesi's blog that she reminded us that Lili is originally from Hawaii and played at Punahou High School before moving to Texas in 2010--probably before her sophomore year. The star Hawaii player Shawna-Lei Kuehu (who seems to have been out ill or injured much of last night) also played for Punahou High School. When she was a junior in high school Lili would have been a frosh. I wonder if they played together?
Edit: Just saw that Shawna-Lei took a medical redshirt year. The last year she played for Punahou was 2008, so they would not quite have overlapped. When Lili was a frosh it would have been just after Shawna-Lei had led that team to 3 state championships.Â
Edit:Â Lili did not set a record with her 6/7 three point shooting. Jennifer Azzi shot 7/7 in 1989.
Quote from Amber:
You know how these quotes are--the players just reflect what the coach told them. I imagine Tara made it a priority for the guards to get the posts involved by passing more to the rolls, when earlier on they were trying to do everything themselves. This is a step forward in learning the new system.
Edit: Just saw that Shawna-Lei took a medical redshirt year. The last year she played for Punahou was 2008, so they would not quite have overlapped. When Lili was a frosh it would have been just after Shawna-Lei had led that team to 3 state championships.Â
Edit:Â Lili did not set a record with her 6/7 three point shooting. Jennifer Azzi shot 7/7 in 1989.
Quote from Amber:
Quote:"I think we came out and played with a lot more energy, and we were patient on offense and allowed the posts to get more involved," Orrange said.http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2014/...inal-women
You know how these quotes are--the players just reflect what the coach told them. I imagine Tara made it a priority for the guards to get the posts involved by passing more to the rolls, when earlier on they were trying to do everything themselves. This is a step forward in learning the new system.
I just noticed over on Marian Cortesi's blog that she reminded us that Lili is originally from Hawaii and played at Punahou High School before moving to Texas in 2010--probably before her sophomore year. The star Hawaii player Shawna-Lei Kuehu (who seems to have been out ill or injured much of last night) also played for Punahou High School. When she was a junior in high school Lili would have been a frosh. I wonder if they played together?
Edit: Just saw that Shawna-Lei took a medical redshirt year. The last year she played for Punahou was 2008, so they would not quite have overlapped. When Lili was a frosh it would have been just after Shawna-Lei had led that team to 3 state championships.Â
Edit:Â Lili did not set a record with her 6/7 three point shooting. Jennifer Azzi shot 7/7 in 1989.
Quote from Amber:
You know how these quotes are--the players just reflect what the coach told them. I imagine Tara made it a priority for the guards to get the posts involved by passing more to the rolls, when earlier on they were trying to do everything themselves. This is a step forward in learning the new system.
Edit: Just saw that Shawna-Lei took a medical redshirt year. The last year she played for Punahou was 2008, so they would not quite have overlapped. When Lili was a frosh it would have been just after Shawna-Lei had led that team to 3 state championships.Â
Edit:Â Lili did not set a record with her 6/7 three point shooting. Jennifer Azzi shot 7/7 in 1989.
Quote from Amber:
Quote:"I think we came out and played with a lot more energy, and we were patient on offense and allowed the posts to get more involved," Orrange said.http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2014/...inal-women
You know how these quotes are--the players just reflect what the coach told them. I imagine Tara made it a priority for the guards to get the posts involved by passing more to the rolls, when earlier on they were trying to do everything themselves. This is a step forward in learning the new system.
11-30-2014, 09:25 AM
Shawna-Lei sat out two years. She delayed enrolling out of HS for a year. Then missed a year to have a child.Â
Thanks on the Wed part.
The trip to Hawaii is for family/friends and most of all for the team.Â
Thanks on the Wed part.
The trip to Hawaii is for family/friends and most of all for the team.Â
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