[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

Many here will scoff at the notion Shaw is Tedford in the making, but as someone who has observed both Ca.l and Stanford probably closer than anyone here, my perspective is probably different than most here too. 

Your perspective is different, and it is also ridiculous. Shaw went to three BCS bowl games in his first three seasons, including back-to-back Rose Bowls, the first Stanford coach to accomplish that in more than 40 years. In his fourth season, Shaw "declined" to just a plain old bowl game. There's been no pressure on him from the AD because he hasn't deserved or needed any. Harbaugh may have regarded losing as unacceptable, but he nonetheless lost: not a single conference championship during his tenure, even with Andrew Luck as his quarterback.

I am as unhappy as anybody with Saturday's game. But comparing a single loss to the total dysfunction of Jeff Tedford's teams is absurd. If Stanford is 3-9 at the end of the season, then I'll listen to you.

Shaw achieved that success with teams Harbaugh built.  After Harbaugh left, the question was whether Shaw could continue his predecessor's success.  He did, for a while - until last year.  Then the question became whether Shaw could achieve - with his own players - the same success he had achieved earlier.

Fact of the matter is nobody has any idea whether Shaw can be successful with a program he built himself.  This season will go a long way toward answering that question.

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

Many here will scoff at the notion Shaw is Tedford in the making, but as someone who has observed both Ca.l and Stanford probably closer than anyone here, my perspective is probably different than most here too. 

Your perspective is different, and it is also ridiculous. Shaw went to three BCS bowl games in his first three seasons, including back-to-back Rose Bowls, the first Stanford coach to accomplish that in more than 40 years. In his fourth season, Shaw "declined" to just a plain old bowl game. There's been no pressure on him from the AD because he hasn't deserved or needed any. Harbaugh may have regarded losing as unacceptable, but he nonetheless lost: not a single conference championship during his tenure, even with Andrew Luck as his quarterback.

I am as unhappy as anybody with Saturday's game. But comparing a single loss to the total dysfunction of Jeff Tedford's teams is absurd. If Stanford is 3-9 at the end of the season, then I'll listen to you.

Shaw achieved that success with teams Harbaugh built.  After Harbaugh left, the question was whether Shaw could continue his predecessor's success.  He did, for a while - until last year.  Then the question became whether Shaw could achieve - with his own players - the same success he had achieved earlier.

Fact of the matter is nobody has any idea whether Shaw can be successful with a program he built himself.  This season will go a long way toward answering that question.