[OutsiderFan]

[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=13023.msg132779#msg132779 date=1444050697]
The Ca.l Rivals board posters on Stanford:

1. Shaw sucks - Same criticisms about conservative Shaw decisions seen from Stanford fans (rooted in the Fiesta Bowl and Utah punt decisions too), and he's just riding Harbaugh's coattails.  This is the year Stanford reverts to the mean. 

2. Offense is pedestrian - They see Stanford as a slow, plodding team (looked slow and plodding much of last season and against Northwestern).

3. Hogan sucks - His slow release and lousy performances in 2014 make the idea of him being an NFL prospect laughable.

Those first three sound very much like comments you've made on this board...
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I've agreed with #2 more than anything else.  The difference between me and Ca.l fan is my belief that Stanford actually does have the talent to be a dynamic offense.  Ca.l fan believes there is no such talent on hand.

Kind of the similar with Shaw.  I know he has the ability to win at a high level. He's proven it.  And he definitely knows how to run a program.  I've questioned his judgment in games like many others, but also acknowledged the possibility that he will grow and get better as a head coach too.  Ca.l fan has no belief in Shaw because they are convinced his success was just riding Harbaugh's recruiting and whatever.

Hogan does have a slow release, but he too has shown he can do a lot of good things.  His size, durability, understanding of NFL concepts, and potentially a special season this year could make him a Top 5 prospect in 2016.  But Ca.l fans will never see Hogan as an NFL prospect until he shreds UCLA again next week. 

Trust me, if Stanford rolls UCLA, they are going to start accepting Stanford might be a conference title contender.  Then again, if Ca.l beats Utah, it might make my life-long dream come true, sort of...  The Big Game can't be to decide who goes to the Rose Bowl, but can decide the Pac-12 North.  Isn't that how it SHOULD be????

[OutsiderFan]

[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=13023.msg132779#msg132779 date=1444050697]
The Ca.l Rivals board posters on Stanford:

1. Shaw sucks - Same criticisms about conservative Shaw decisions seen from Stanford fans (rooted in the Fiesta Bowl and Utah punt decisions too), and he's just riding Harbaugh's coattails.  This is the year Stanford reverts to the mean. 

2. Offense is pedestrian - They see Stanford as a slow, plodding team (looked slow and plodding much of last season and against Northwestern).

3. Hogan sucks - His slow release and lousy performances in 2014 make the idea of him being an NFL prospect laughable.

Those first three sound very much like comments you've made on this board...
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I've agreed with #2 more than anything else.  The difference between me and Ca.l fan is my belief that Stanford actually does have the talent to be a dynamic offense.  Ca.l fan believes there is no such talent on hand.

Kind of the similar with Shaw.  I know he has the ability to win at a high level. He's proven it.  And he definitely knows how to run a program.  I've questioned his judgment in games like many others, but also acknowledged the possibility that he will grow and get better as a head coach too.  Ca.l fan has no belief in Shaw because they are convinced his success was just riding Harbaugh's recruiting and whatever.

Hogan does have a slow release, but he too has shown he can do a lot of good things.  His size, durability, understanding of NFL concepts, and potentially a special season this year could make him a Top 5 prospect in 2016.  But Ca.l fans will never see Hogan as an NFL prospect until he shreds UCLA again next week. 

Trust me, if Stanford rolls UCLA, they are going to start accepting Stanford might be a conference title contender.  Then again, if Ca.l beats Utah, it might make my life-long dream come true, sort of...  The Big Game can't be to decide who goes to the Rose Bowl, but can decide the Pac-12 North.  Isn't that how it SHOULD be????