[Mick]

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It's also clear that Stanford football has an awkward relationship to the rugby years. The records for 1906-17 are listed, with an asterisk. However, when the guide later counts the undefeated and ten win seasons, the rugby years are ignored, which is explicitly noted in a footnote.

Yes, Stanford's treatment of the rugby years is awkward.

There appears to be a long-standing agreement between Stanford and C.al that the Big Game series record includes the nine Stanford-C.al rugby games from 1906 through 1914. These nine games always have been listed as official Big Games. (Stanford's record in these rugby Big Games was 5-3-1.)

The NCAA includes those nine rugby Big Games in giving Stanford and C.al credit for the 7th longest-played rivalry in college football (119 games). However, the NCAA does not include Stanford's results in the rugby years in the NCAA's list of Stanford's all-time football W/L record.

The Stanford vs. U-S-C rugby games are another issue. For a long time, Stanford listed its three rugby games against U-S-C in 1911-1913 as part of its all-time football series against U-S-C, while U-S-C did not list those rugby games. A few years back, Stanford decided to drop those three rugby games from its version of the all-time series record.

Nevertheless, there's still a discrepancy between the Stanford and U-S-C versions of the all-time series record. U-S-C includes its win in its 1918 game against the Stanford SATC team. But Stanford does not count the 1918 SATC team's results. That was not an official Stanford team, for reasons mentioned in my last post. So U-S-C gives itself one more win against Stanford than it really ought to.
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Just as an aside, the 1920 American Olympic Rugby team beat the heavily-favored French for the Gold medal.  The American team had nine players from Stanford (James Fitzpatrick -- Stanford Law/SCU undergrad, Morris kirksey - beat Charlie Paddock for the 100m Gold, Davis Wallace, John Patrick, Cornelius Righter, Danny Carroll, Heaton Wrenn, Charles Doe and George Davis), six players from Ca.l (George Fish, Matt Hazeltine, Red Meehan, James Winston, Babe Slater and Charles Tilden) and five players from Santa Clara, including a few Micks (james Fitzpatrick, John O'Neil, John Muldoon, William Muldoon, and Rudy Scholz).

It was an interesting field, just American and France.  The Brits wanted to send separate teams from England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, but France insisted on a unified team.  So not only did Great Britain not participate, none of their Commonwealth countries did either.  Czechoslovakia and Romania originally signed up, but dropped out. 

The game had 20,000 fans, virtually all of whom rooted for the French.  Match was 0-0 at half, the French got reckless and the Americans won 8-0.  The French insisted on the Americans remaining in France to play club team sin Lyon, Toulouse, Bordeaux and Paris.  The Americans went 3-1.

[Mick]

[quote author=CTcard link=topic=17200.msg197630#msg197630 date=1503519939]
It's also clear that Stanford football has an awkward relationship to the rugby years. The records for 1906-17 are listed, with an asterisk. However, when the guide later counts the undefeated and ten win seasons, the rugby years are ignored, which is explicitly noted in a footnote.

Yes, Stanford's treatment of the rugby years is awkward.

There appears to be a long-standing agreement between Stanford and C.al that the Big Game series record includes the nine Stanford-C.al rugby games from 1906 through 1914. These nine games always have been listed as official Big Games. (Stanford's record in these rugby Big Games was 5-3-1.)

The NCAA includes those nine rugby Big Games in giving Stanford and C.al credit for the 7th longest-played rivalry in college football (119 games). However, the NCAA does not include Stanford's results in the rugby years in the NCAA's list of Stanford's all-time football W/L record.

The Stanford vs. U-S-C rugby games are another issue. For a long time, Stanford listed its three rugby games against U-S-C in 1911-1913 as part of its all-time football series against U-S-C, while U-S-C did not list those rugby games. A few years back, Stanford decided to drop those three rugby games from its version of the all-time series record.

Nevertheless, there's still a discrepancy between the Stanford and U-S-C versions of the all-time series record. U-S-C includes its win in its 1918 game against the Stanford SATC team. But Stanford does not count the 1918 SATC team's results. That was not an official Stanford team, for reasons mentioned in my last post. So U-S-C gives itself one more win against Stanford than it really ought to.
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Just as an aside, the 1920 American Olympic Rugby team beat the heavily-favored French for the Gold medal.  The American team had nine players from Stanford (James Fitzpatrick -- Stanford Law/SCU undergrad, Morris kirksey - beat Charlie Paddock for the 100m Gold, Davis Wallace, John Patrick, Cornelius Righter, Danny Carroll, Heaton Wrenn, Charles Doe and George Davis), six players from Ca.l (George Fish, Matt Hazeltine, Red Meehan, James Winston, Babe Slater and Charles Tilden) and five players from Santa Clara, including a few Micks (james Fitzpatrick, John O'Neil, John Muldoon, William Muldoon, and Rudy Scholz).

It was an interesting field, just American and France.  The Brits wanted to send separate teams from England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, but France insisted on a unified team.  So not only did Great Britain not participate, none of their Commonwealth countries did either.  Czechoslovakia and Romania originally signed up, but dropped out. 

The game had 20,000 fans, virtually all of whom rooted for the French.  Match was 0-0 at half, the French got reckless and the Americans won 8-0.  The French insisted on the Americans remaining in France to play club team sin Lyon, Toulouse, Bordeaux and Paris.  The Americans went 3-1.