[Mick]

[quote author=Mick link=topic=17830.msg209293#msg209293 date=1509379000]Their last three have been heinous...Shanahan just managed the 49ers to their first-ever 0-8 start.  First in the history of the franchise.  Not even Tomsula was that terrible.

So this is off-topic, but that's pretty unfair. The Niners aren't good, no one would expect them to be given the state of the roster, but they've gotten pretty unlucky to start 0-8. Their point differential is significantly better than the 2-6 Colts, for instance. And a few weeks ago Football Outsiders tabbed them as one of the "best" 0-6 teams in history: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ra...oa-ratings

So, yeah, they're bad. But it's not clear to me that Shanahan is actually doing a worse job than Tomsula, given the roster he has and the non-record results on the field.
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Okay.  At this point, the 49ers have given up 219 and scored 133.  At the same point in Tomsula's season, they had scored 109 and given up 2017, so Shanahan's point differential is -86 against Tomsula's -98, a difference of 1 1/3 points per game.  They're both festering sores, as far as I'm concerned.

[Mick]

[quote author=Mick link=topic=17830.msg209293#msg209293 date=1509379000]Their last three have been heinous...Shanahan just managed the 49ers to their first-ever 0-8 start.  First in the history of the franchise.  Not even Tomsula was that terrible.

So this is off-topic, but that's pretty unfair. The Niners aren't good, no one would expect them to be given the state of the roster, but they've gotten pretty unlucky to start 0-8. Their point differential is significantly better than the 2-6 Colts, for instance. And a few weeks ago Football Outsiders tabbed them as one of the "best" 0-6 teams in history: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ra...oa-ratings

So, yeah, they're bad. But it's not clear to me that Shanahan is actually doing a worse job than Tomsula, given the roster he has and the non-record results on the field.
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Okay.  At this point, the 49ers have given up 219 and scored 133.  At the same point in Tomsula's season, they had scored 109 and given up 2017, so Shanahan's point differential is -86 against Tomsula's -98, a difference of 1 1/3 points per game.  They're both festering sores, as far as I'm concerned.