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[quote author=81alum link=topic=17904.msg210810#msg210810 date=1509894444]
[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=17904.msg210806#msg210806 date=1509892824]
I don't know if "hey maybe our OL will stop being shockingly incompetent" is stubbornness, especially for a team whose problem in losses historically has been not running enough.

This is where I would appreciate an ex lineman to tell us what was going on.  Did the WSU D-line get into our backfield so often because our O linemen were incompetent and missed blocks?  Or was it some sort of scheme for which our O line was not prepared?  Was there a possible counter to what the D-line was doing that a coach could have implemented?  Or was the only "counter" simply blocking better?

I really don't know.  It is hard for me to believe that these highly recruited linemen, playing for coaches who have had great success with O-lines in the past, are simply incompetent.  Yet they failed miserably.  I'd like an expert's diagnosis as to why, since it seems so surreal.
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Your questions seem to hit on the problems very well.
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Agree - from what i remember, WSU parried our long snap counts with quick, last-second realignments that seemed to catch our guys, for want of a better term - totally off-guard.  Their front 7 also added mixtures of slants and stunts to further add to the mayhem, Their quickness off the ball was just the icing on the cake.  In the first half, I remember one of our interior guys, who shall remain nameless out of respect for our dashed title and bowl hopes, reacting so slowly to a hard slant off his right shoulder, he literally lunged forward out of his stance and fell flat on his face..... just brutal, intellectually, and otherwise....  :-[

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[quote author=81alum link=topic=17904.msg210810#msg210810 date=1509894444]
[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=17904.msg210806#msg210806 date=1509892824]
I don't know if "hey maybe our OL will stop being shockingly incompetent" is stubbornness, especially for a team whose problem in losses historically has been not running enough.

This is where I would appreciate an ex lineman to tell us what was going on.  Did the WSU D-line get into our backfield so often because our O linemen were incompetent and missed blocks?  Or was it some sort of scheme for which our O line was not prepared?  Was there a possible counter to what the D-line was doing that a coach could have implemented?  Or was the only "counter" simply blocking better?

I really don't know.  It is hard for me to believe that these highly recruited linemen, playing for coaches who have had great success with O-lines in the past, are simply incompetent.  Yet they failed miserably.  I'd like an expert's diagnosis as to why, since it seems so surreal.
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Your questions seem to hit on the problems very well.
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Agree - from what i remember, WSU parried our long snap counts with quick, last-second realignments that seemed to catch our guys, for want of a better term - totally off-guard.  Their front 7 also added mixtures of slants and stunts to further add to the mayhem, Their quickness off the ball was just the icing on the cake.  In the first half, I remember one of our interior guys, who shall remain nameless out of respect for our dashed title and bowl hopes, reacting so slowly to a hard slant off his right shoulder, he literally lunged forward out of his stance and fell flat on his face..... just brutal, intellectually, and otherwise....  :-[