[Mick]

In March, my mantra was everyone should wear a mask. It took a little while (far too long that it should), but now it seems even the most pig-headed politicians like Texas Governor Greg Abbott have got the religion about them.

Now, my mantra is forget vaccine as solution. I have talked with three close friends about a vaccine, and between the 4 of us, none of us are going to get any SARS-CoV-2 vaccine unless it is proven effective and proves to have no side effects over at least a year after phase 3 trials. We are not anti-vaxers. We celebrate science and facts and hate anti-vax crowd in general. But we do not think it makes logical sense to get a vaccine that was rushed out and we literally don't have any evidence for its impact over enough time, when we don't even have great insight on long-term Covid-19 impacts. And, we all know if we are cautious and reduce risky behavior, we can avoid infection, because we have and don't intend to change our behavior any time soon. Even if restaurants and bars were open, we wouldn't be going to them. And none of us are going into offices or getting on planes either. I'm sure there are many, many people who think like these friends do, and then there are anti-vaxers on top of this. It's hard to imagine, even if enough vaccine was created and made available, that we could ever reach herd immunity needed for it to work.

What is this "Door #3" y'all are referencing?

I highlighted Farm93's three options in red:
 1) Wait for a miracle
 2) A vaccine
 3) A new POTUS (a/k/a "door #3)

Mick Wrote:  

(Yesterday, 03:24 am)Farm93 Wrote:  The current economic health of Sweden, Brazil and Mexico suggests we are in a very bad group, and it would be awesome if POTUS worked a bit harder to get all of us to crush the cause (the pandemic) rather than wait for a miracle, a vaccine, and/or a new POTUS.

I think we're headed for door #3, brother.  At that point, our COVID-19 ship will have run aground.

[Mick]

In March, my mantra was everyone should wear a mask. It took a little while (far too long that it should), but now it seems even the most pig-headed politicians like Texas Governor Greg Abbott have got the religion about them.

Now, my mantra is forget vaccine as solution. I have talked with three close friends about a vaccine, and between the 4 of us, none of us are going to get any SARS-CoV-2 vaccine unless it is proven effective and proves to have no side effects over at least a year after phase 3 trials. We are not anti-vaxers. We celebrate science and facts and hate anti-vax crowd in general. But we do not think it makes logical sense to get a vaccine that was rushed out and we literally don't have any evidence for its impact over enough time, when we don't even have great insight on long-term Covid-19 impacts. And, we all know if we are cautious and reduce risky behavior, we can avoid infection, because we have and don't intend to change our behavior any time soon. Even if restaurants and bars were open, we wouldn't be going to them. And none of us are going into offices or getting on planes either. I'm sure there are many, many people who think like these friends do, and then there are anti-vaxers on top of this. It's hard to imagine, even if enough vaccine was created and made available, that we could ever reach herd immunity needed for it to work.

What is this "Door #3" y'all are referencing?

I highlighted Farm93's three options in red:
 1) Wait for a miracle
 2) A vaccine
 3) A new POTUS (a/k/a "door #3)

Mick Wrote:  

(Yesterday, 03:24 am)Farm93 Wrote:  The current economic health of Sweden, Brazil and Mexico suggests we are in a very bad group, and it would be awesome if POTUS worked a bit harder to get all of us to crush the cause (the pandemic) rather than wait for a miracle, a vaccine, and/or a new POTUS.

I think we're headed for door #3, brother.  At that point, our COVID-19 ship will have run aground.