[lex24]

My point has been a simple one - the ORDERS should come from either the Gov or elected county officials.  Certainly the health officials should be a major (the major) part of the process.  As for these bills, I’d be interested in seeing them. Details obviously matter.  Hard to put those in a tweet.

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I mean, the vast majority of people who work at all stages of government are unelected.  I mean, imagine if we were voting on who should be general or who should head the OMB.

BC

A General follows the directive of the CIC.   Ask McArthur.

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I mean, the vast majority of people who work at all stages of government are unelected.  I mean, imagine if we were voting on who should be general or who should head the OMB.

BC

Or more directly on the CHP officer who actually gives you the ticket. They make the decision, they don't have to ticket you. There is a chain of authority all the way up to Newsom, but that isn't going to do you much good on 280.

Based on laws established by the legislature- with an incumbent due process right to challenge the ticket in Court.

What is so objectionable about having these orders flow from the board of supervisors instead of the health director? I don’t care if it’s the same freaking order. Which one would you anticipate it would be because they rubberstamp it. I just want it coming from an elected official. Particularly when they are as broad in scope as these county orders are

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lex will be pleased, but I believe most of us think this is stupid and puts us all at risk, because I think we know not stopping pandemics in one area makes them a certainty in another.

If there was anything for states to sue each other over in SCOTUS, it is this. I believe there is precedent for one state being held liable to another when it came to acid rain litigation, but not sure. Anyway, this is my gripe:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/LaurenWeberHP/status/1338849219277426691[/tweet]

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What qualified person in their right mind is going to take on one of these jobs, when they are hamstrung to do it? We have seatbelt laws for a reason. We have warnings on cigarettes for a reason. Why the hell would we not want to empower and celebrate public health experts, and know that if we follow their advice, we will avoid the most public health damage?

As for the shutdowns, it would have been a lot easier to take if the federal government stepped up and compensated people while businesses were shuttered, like every other developed country. But let's misdiagnose the problem and blame public health officials. Oh, the irony.

You see, you missed my point. You’re right the public health officials should not be blamed if people have problems with the orders. The people that should bear the brunt are the elected officials of the county. They should be the one signing these orders. They are answerable to the electorate. These aren’t warning packages on labels or seatbelt laws. These are very very broad orders that essentially determine what we can do and can’t do in our lives. Unprecedented. So I will continue to contend that this needs to be looked at in the future. I personally believe that had the Orders simply been signed by the board of supes as opposed to emanating from the health director that they would have been better received. At least in that circumstance the people would feel they have some voice in responding to the board.

[lex24]

My point has been a simple one - the ORDERS should come from either the Gov or elected county officials.  Certainly the health officials should be a major (the major) part of the process.  As for these bills, I’d be interested in seeing them. Details obviously matter.  Hard to put those in a tweet.

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I mean, the vast majority of people who work at all stages of government are unelected.  I mean, imagine if we were voting on who should be general or who should head the OMB.

BC

A General follows the directive of the CIC.   Ask McArthur.

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I mean, the vast majority of people who work at all stages of government are unelected.  I mean, imagine if we were voting on who should be general or who should head the OMB.

BC

Or more directly on the CHP officer who actually gives you the ticket. They make the decision, they don't have to ticket you. There is a chain of authority all the way up to Newsom, but that isn't going to do you much good on 280.

Based on laws established by the legislature- with an incumbent due process right to challenge the ticket in Court.

What is so objectionable about having these orders flow from the board of supervisors instead of the health director? I don’t care if it’s the same freaking order. Which one would you anticipate it would be because they rubberstamp it. I just want it coming from an elected official. Particularly when they are as broad in scope as these county orders are

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lex will be pleased, but I believe most of us think this is stupid and puts us all at risk, because I think we know not stopping pandemics in one area makes them a certainty in another.

If there was anything for states to sue each other over in SCOTUS, it is this. I believe there is precedent for one state being held liable to another when it came to acid rain litigation, but not sure. Anyway, this is my gripe:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/LaurenWeberHP/status/1338849219277426691[/tweet]

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What qualified person in their right mind is going to take on one of these jobs, when they are hamstrung to do it? We have seatbelt laws for a reason. We have warnings on cigarettes for a reason. Why the hell would we not want to empower and celebrate public health experts, and know that if we follow their advice, we will avoid the most public health damage?

As for the shutdowns, it would have been a lot easier to take if the federal government stepped up and compensated people while businesses were shuttered, like every other developed country. But let's misdiagnose the problem and blame public health officials. Oh, the irony.

You see, you missed my point. You’re right the public health officials should not be blamed if people have problems with the orders. The people that should bear the brunt are the elected officials of the county. They should be the one signing these orders. They are answerable to the electorate. These aren’t warning packages on labels or seatbelt laws. These are very very broad orders that essentially determine what we can do and can’t do in our lives. Unprecedented. So I will continue to contend that this needs to be looked at in the future. I personally believe that had the Orders simply been signed by the board of supes as opposed to emanating from the health director that they would have been better received. At least in that circumstance the people would feel they have some voice in responding to the board.