[CardinalSagehen]

What have those "top 20" classes gotten us in terms of roster depth and development as compared to previous years? Our roster is thinner, weaker, and softer and it shows in the win-loss column

I agree with some of this point and made the same point myself. I think it’s reasonable for people not to be delighted with the results after 2015. (I’m personally okay with it, but it’s very debatable.) 

The question on the table was how much credit Shaw deserves for 2015. I think it’s totally unreasonable to credit that to Harbaugh’s lingering effect a full 5 seasons after he left.

He gets  credit for ‘12 and ‘13 also.  People tend to think it’s easy to walk in take over a team thrive with the talent they inherited It’s not. Ask Rod Dohower.

I agree fully. I don’t think Shaw’s credit for ‘12 and ‘13 is very debatable, either.

[CardinalSagehen]

What have those "top 20" classes gotten us in terms of roster depth and development as compared to previous years? Our roster is thinner, weaker, and softer and it shows in the win-loss column

I agree with some of this point and made the same point myself. I think it’s reasonable for people not to be delighted with the results after 2015. (I’m personally okay with it, but it’s very debatable.) 

The question on the table was how much credit Shaw deserves for 2015. I think it’s totally unreasonable to credit that to Harbaugh’s lingering effect a full 5 seasons after he left.

He gets  credit for ‘12 and ‘13 also.  People tend to think it’s easy to walk in take over a team thrive with the talent they inherited It’s not. Ask Rod Dohower.

I agree fully. I don’t think Shaw’s credit for ‘12 and ‘13 is very debatable, either.