[BigJohn043]

Jaysus. The Harbaugh really did it BS is so old it’s unbelievable. Do you wanna know David Shaw’s  best coaching job, I’ll tell you. 2012. I don’t give a damn who recruited those players. He took a team that was floundering changed quarterbacks and turned it over to a red shirt freshman and they ran the table, won the conference and the Rose Bowl. A team with limited talent offensively and admittedly a very very good defense. Shaw recognized that and played to it. They ran the hell out of the ball controlled  the clock and  grounded out wins. Yeah I remember people complaining at the time that  he took to long to switch to Hogan. Unbelievable.

 Maybe one day David Shaw will get the full credit he deserves. I kind of doubt it. But one can always hope.

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I Am so happy Harbaugh keep recruiting for Stanford while with the 49ers. 
2011 Shaw head coach
2015 Shaw wins Pac 12 title. 

Geesh

2015 roster included fifth-year players (Harbaugh recruits) who played significant roles: Kevin Anderson, Cajuste, Harris, Hogan, Wright

9 of the 80+ players on that team were Harbaugh recruits. To your point, however, 4 of them were starters, including the QB. A fifth played a key role as (a very effective) goal-line RB, scoring 11 TDs and denying a Shaw recruit the Voldemort.

Did Shaw effectively ride CMac and a good-enough defense to a Rose Bowl? Yes. But the guy handing and throwing him the ball, and calling all the plays at the LOS, was a Harbaugh recruit.

Revisionist history.  

Recruiting is the problem now, not then. We had top 20 classes following that Rose Bowl in 2016, 2017, 2019, and 2020 (okay, it was #21).  Anyone that expects us to have top 10 classes is delusional.  

It’s also pretty unreasonable to make a point that Hogan was a Harbaugh recruit.  He was never even coached under Harbaugh. He was a guy that exceeded expectations and expanded his potential under Shaw. 

People should be more upset that we did too little with the 2017 class or that we’re struggling to land any top-200 players these days.  But Shaw gets credit for 2015.

He gets  credit for ‘12 and ‘13 also.  People tend to think it’s easy to walk in take over a team thrive with the talent they inherited It’s not. Ask Rod Dohower.

The seachange was not JH  leaving. It was Luck graduating. From that point forward it was a different team without one of the greatest college quarterbacks ever.

This whole discussion of who recruited the 2015 team misses the real issue.  What JH brought to the program was toughness and competitiveness.  The program under Shaw did continue with those traits until over time they have slowly melted away.  Does anyone think we are now one of the toughest programs in the P-12?

And the 2012 season was a total mess.  Shaw picked absolutely the wrong QB.  He didn't pull him until he had three straight three and outs against a CO team that was the worst in the conference.  Hogan played so well that even the most stubborn man in America had to keep him in there.

Luck graduating was not the issue at all.  We were great for 5 years after Luck graduated.  The real issue was Hogan graduating and the slow deterioration of the toughness of the team...

[BigJohn043]

Jaysus. The Harbaugh really did it BS is so old it’s unbelievable. Do you wanna know David Shaw’s  best coaching job, I’ll tell you. 2012. I don’t give a damn who recruited those players. He took a team that was floundering changed quarterbacks and turned it over to a red shirt freshman and they ran the table, won the conference and the Rose Bowl. A team with limited talent offensively and admittedly a very very good defense. Shaw recognized that and played to it. They ran the hell out of the ball controlled  the clock and  grounded out wins. Yeah I remember people complaining at the time that  he took to long to switch to Hogan. Unbelievable.

 Maybe one day David Shaw will get the full credit he deserves. I kind of doubt it. But one can always hope.

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I Am so happy Harbaugh keep recruiting for Stanford while with the 49ers. 
2011 Shaw head coach
2015 Shaw wins Pac 12 title. 

Geesh

2015 roster included fifth-year players (Harbaugh recruits) who played significant roles: Kevin Anderson, Cajuste, Harris, Hogan, Wright

9 of the 80+ players on that team were Harbaugh recruits. To your point, however, 4 of them were starters, including the QB. A fifth played a key role as (a very effective) goal-line RB, scoring 11 TDs and denying a Shaw recruit the Voldemort.

Did Shaw effectively ride CMac and a good-enough defense to a Rose Bowl? Yes. But the guy handing and throwing him the ball, and calling all the plays at the LOS, was a Harbaugh recruit.

Revisionist history.  

Recruiting is the problem now, not then. We had top 20 classes following that Rose Bowl in 2016, 2017, 2019, and 2020 (okay, it was #21).  Anyone that expects us to have top 10 classes is delusional.  

It’s also pretty unreasonable to make a point that Hogan was a Harbaugh recruit.  He was never even coached under Harbaugh. He was a guy that exceeded expectations and expanded his potential under Shaw. 

People should be more upset that we did too little with the 2017 class or that we’re struggling to land any top-200 players these days.  But Shaw gets credit for 2015.

He gets  credit for ‘12 and ‘13 also.  People tend to think it’s easy to walk in take over a team thrive with the talent they inherited It’s not. Ask Rod Dohower.

The seachange was not JH  leaving. It was Luck graduating. From that point forward it was a different team without one of the greatest college quarterbacks ever.

This whole discussion of who recruited the 2015 team misses the real issue.  What JH brought to the program was toughness and competitiveness.  The program under Shaw did continue with those traits until over time they have slowly melted away.  Does anyone think we are now one of the toughest programs in the P-12?

And the 2012 season was a total mess.  Shaw picked absolutely the wrong QB.  He didn't pull him until he had three straight three and outs against a CO team that was the worst in the conference.  Hogan played so well that even the most stubborn man in America had to keep him in there.

Luck graduating was not the issue at all.  We were great for 5 years after Luck graduated.  The real issue was Hogan graduating and the slow deterioration of the toughness of the team...