[terry]

I’ll just quote myself again…

Another way to look at it would be to look at Shaw's last five years, when he was all on his own without any of Harbaugh's recruits.
36-22, 62% winning percentage, 4 winning seasons in 5 years, 0 conference titles.  In other words, Shaw's five worst years, the ones that everyone cites as evidence of the irrevocable decline of Stanford football, have produced a better winning percentage than any other coach since I've been a fan (including three that you cite as "successful") and it's produced as many winning seasons as Willingham, and more than Harbaugh or Walsh.

I even bolted the relevant section.  He may not have a Ferrari any more, but he’s still beating every other coach we’ve had dating back 30 years.

BC

Good point, BC.

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But to call the 2015 Rose Bowl team anything but Shaw's team is just plain silly, in my opinion.

I completely agree. 

It's not credible to deprive Shaw of credit for the 2015 team, given that Harbaugh had been gone for five years and nobody on that team even signed an LOI with Harbaugh, let alone practiced or played for Harbaugh.

[terry]

I’ll just quote myself again…

Another way to look at it would be to look at Shaw's last five years, when he was all on his own without any of Harbaugh's recruits.
36-22, 62% winning percentage, 4 winning seasons in 5 years, 0 conference titles.  In other words, Shaw's five worst years, the ones that everyone cites as evidence of the irrevocable decline of Stanford football, have produced a better winning percentage than any other coach since I've been a fan (including three that you cite as "successful") and it's produced as many winning seasons as Willingham, and more than Harbaugh or Walsh.

I even bolted the relevant section.  He may not have a Ferrari any more, but he’s still beating every other coach we’ve had dating back 30 years.

BC

Good point, BC.

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But to call the 2015 Rose Bowl team anything but Shaw's team is just plain silly, in my opinion.

I completely agree. 

It's not credible to deprive Shaw of credit for the 2015 team, given that Harbaugh had been gone for five years and nobody on that team even signed an LOI with Harbaugh, let alone practiced or played for Harbaugh.