[lex24]

What your rhetorical question omits is this:  " . . . when there is no prospect of being on a good team - let alone a really good one - at Stanford the next season?"  That is another big problem with the decline of the program under Shaw - players with eligibility are bolting and not sticking around for another good/great run.

I agree it is a problem, but a small one compared to the other problems we have. Given the sharp and recent memories of several guys who elected to play another year (at Stanford and elsewhere), got hurt, and lost their NFL career opportunity, athletes that have any kind of an acceptable NFL draft expectation are going to leave. This is also the advice they are getting from their peers and gurus. Andrew Luck types are totally the exception in the "new" college football. In Bucks We Trust. This is especially true of players who had a good year, got their degree, and have generated some draft "buzz". If a player doesn't have a degree yet, believes he can make a better showing next year, and has no current draft prospects, returning can make sense. In those cases, how good he expects the team to be may matter. However, these are usually more marginal players. Guys like Mills make a big enough splash that risking another year in college makes no sense. I didn't think he would get drafted. Too small a sample size, injury history. In today's world, that meant little.

How many Michigan players with eligibility remaining left early?  I know the much-ballyhooed DE stuck around.  I think you're underestimating the draw of the prospect of playing in Big Bowls . . . you know, the ones Stanford used to play in with some frequency.  That is gonzo (and ain't coming back any time soon), with unfortunate and predictable ramifications (that only make the climb back steeper).

41 Michigan transfers played elsewhere last year. 16 left after 2020. Here’s the source:  https://www.clickondetroit.com/all-about...is-season/

That's almost a non-sequitur, as the kids who left Michigan did so because they wanted more PT elsewhere.  Stanford players with eligibility, who would start, are bailing on the Cardinal.  Some got drafted, some did not, some opted to enroll elsewhere.  The situations are not comparable.

Name Stanford potential starters that have left.  Sure there have been some. Same with Michigan.

Michigan list does not include those that left early for NFL.

College players are moving all over the place. Stanfords problem is they can’t often take advantage of the transfer aspect of the portal.

[lex24]

What your rhetorical question omits is this:  " . . . when there is no prospect of being on a good team - let alone a really good one - at Stanford the next season?"  That is another big problem with the decline of the program under Shaw - players with eligibility are bolting and not sticking around for another good/great run.

I agree it is a problem, but a small one compared to the other problems we have. Given the sharp and recent memories of several guys who elected to play another year (at Stanford and elsewhere), got hurt, and lost their NFL career opportunity, athletes that have any kind of an acceptable NFL draft expectation are going to leave. This is also the advice they are getting from their peers and gurus. Andrew Luck types are totally the exception in the "new" college football. In Bucks We Trust. This is especially true of players who had a good year, got their degree, and have generated some draft "buzz". If a player doesn't have a degree yet, believes he can make a better showing next year, and has no current draft prospects, returning can make sense. In those cases, how good he expects the team to be may matter. However, these are usually more marginal players. Guys like Mills make a big enough splash that risking another year in college makes no sense. I didn't think he would get drafted. Too small a sample size, injury history. In today's world, that meant little.

How many Michigan players with eligibility remaining left early?  I know the much-ballyhooed DE stuck around.  I think you're underestimating the draw of the prospect of playing in Big Bowls . . . you know, the ones Stanford used to play in with some frequency.  That is gonzo (and ain't coming back any time soon), with unfortunate and predictable ramifications (that only make the climb back steeper).

41 Michigan transfers played elsewhere last year. 16 left after 2020. Here’s the source:  https://www.clickondetroit.com/all-about...is-season/

That's almost a non-sequitur, as the kids who left Michigan did so because they wanted more PT elsewhere.  Stanford players with eligibility, who would start, are bailing on the Cardinal.  Some got drafted, some did not, some opted to enroll elsewhere.  The situations are not comparable.

Name Stanford potential starters that have left.  Sure there have been some. Same with Michigan.

Michigan list does not include those that left early for NFL.

College players are moving all over the place. Stanfords problem is they can’t often take advantage of the transfer aspect of the portal.