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Haase has made Johnny Dawkins look good.

Dawkins in 8 miserable seasons went to the NCAA tournament once, where he made it to the sweet sixteen, and took the team to the NIT three times, winning it twice.

Haase in his sixth season has never been to the NCAA tournament (and we won’t go this year barring a miracle pac-12 championship win) and got to the NIT once.  I suppose if we finish strong we have a chance of going again this year, but man, his record looks bad against even Dawkins’.

Teejers, you ask me who I think has a better chance going forward, and I will pick the coach who has at least demonstrated an ability to win at Stanford.  Haase just hasn’t, and it has been six years now.  What indication do we have that this year is any different from the previous five, or that next year will be different from his first six at Stanford? The guy can recruit the occasional whale, and that’s about it.  Shaw at least has shown he can win, and I would much rather bet on the guy who has shown himself capable than on the guy who has a single NIT to show for his entire Stanford career.

BC

You blithely ignore that Shaw is the only coach in Stanford history to be handed a stacked roster, a Top 5 program, thus making even Football First studs (with sufficient academic chops) willing to sign the LOI.  Why wouldn't you go to Stanford - Top 5 program, best academics amongst teams playing D1 football, beautiful campus, weather, etc.?  That very unique and once-in-a-program-lifetime gift was handed to Shaw by Harbaugh.  Shaw managed to win with Harbaugh's players and continue the illusion that he was presiding over a Top 5 program for a couple years, which allowed him to reel in studs like McCaffrey and Love.   (Do you think either would sign with Stanford today)?  Good for him and us.  

So yeah, Shaw won at a high clip early with Harbaugh's players and the Harbaugh Effect.  And he has since squandered all of it.  We are just seeing Shaw at sea level.  And it isn't pretty.

You're right that Haase hasn't won enough to defend against making a change.  But it's also true that he has not tanked the program like Shaw has, nor has Haase dropped the program to the depths Shaw has.  The Dawkins to Haase decline is marginal, especially in comparison to Orange Bowl/Fiesta Bowl (which Shaw blew, btw) seasons to 2021.

Look, it's obvious Shaw is going nowhere; Haase may get another year, too.  We'll see how they do next season.  If I had to bet, then I'd say Haase does better than Shaw next year (but I wouldn't voluntarily bet on either of them to have a post-season that matters).

[teejers1]

Haase has made Johnny Dawkins look good.

Dawkins in 8 miserable seasons went to the NCAA tournament once, where he made it to the sweet sixteen, and took the team to the NIT three times, winning it twice.

Haase in his sixth season has never been to the NCAA tournament (and we won’t go this year barring a miracle pac-12 championship win) and got to the NIT once.  I suppose if we finish strong we have a chance of going again this year, but man, his record looks bad against even Dawkins’.

Teejers, you ask me who I think has a better chance going forward, and I will pick the coach who has at least demonstrated an ability to win at Stanford.  Haase just hasn’t, and it has been six years now.  What indication do we have that this year is any different from the previous five, or that next year will be different from his first six at Stanford? The guy can recruit the occasional whale, and that’s about it.  Shaw at least has shown he can win, and I would much rather bet on the guy who has shown himself capable than on the guy who has a single NIT to show for his entire Stanford career.

BC

You blithely ignore that Shaw is the only coach in Stanford history to be handed a stacked roster, a Top 5 program, thus making even Football First studs (with sufficient academic chops) willing to sign the LOI.  Why wouldn't you go to Stanford - Top 5 program, best academics amongst teams playing D1 football, beautiful campus, weather, etc.?  That very unique and once-in-a-program-lifetime gift was handed to Shaw by Harbaugh.  Shaw managed to win with Harbaugh's players and continue the illusion that he was presiding over a Top 5 program for a couple years, which allowed him to reel in studs like McCaffrey and Love.   (Do you think either would sign with Stanford today)?  Good for him and us.  

So yeah, Shaw won at a high clip early with Harbaugh's players and the Harbaugh Effect.  And he has since squandered all of it.  We are just seeing Shaw at sea level.  And it isn't pretty.

You're right that Haase hasn't won enough to defend against making a change.  But it's also true that he has not tanked the program like Shaw has, nor has Haase dropped the program to the depths Shaw has.  The Dawkins to Haase decline is marginal, especially in comparison to Orange Bowl/Fiesta Bowl (which Shaw blew, btw) seasons to 2021.

Look, it's obvious Shaw is going nowhere; Haase may get another year, too.  We'll see how they do next season.  If I had to bet, then I'd say Haase does better than Shaw next year (but I wouldn't voluntarily bet on either of them to have a post-season that matters).