[teejers1]

re: football recruiting for Shaw...isn't the admissions dept a big factor in football recruiting at Stanford? From what I know, the athlete acceptance standards aren't set in stone and change from time to time depending on various other factors. I do know it's a big deal for basketball. Although the $10M the Warriors paid him was the main reason he left, Montgomery did speak of recruiting/admissions as a major issue at the time. His departing recruiting class, while the team went 30-2 and was #1 in the country that year, was Tim Morris, Peter Prowitt, and Taj Finger. The recruiting class the year before was Fred Washington, Evan Moore, and Mark Bradford. Back to back classes that were quite the step down from previous years. The "recruiting follows success" logic certainly didn't hold true in those years.

I don't really know the answer, so I wonder what the football admissions landscape was like during the Harbaugh and early Shaw years compared to the last 4 years. I think it's safe to say that building football and basketball dynasties aren't really at the top of the list for the Stanford administration.

I am unaware of any accusations (or even rumblings) that the football admissions landscape (or the hoops admissions landscape, for that matter) have changed to detriment of ability to recruit players to Stanford.  The tectonic shift from Mamlet was well known, and even documents by the late, great Steve Durrett who, iirc, had what  became know as "The Durrett Scale" showing combo of GPA and scores that was generally needed to gain admissions to Stanford.  The bar raised noticeably with Mamlet, iirc, which is one of the big reasons Monty got frustrated and left.

Keep in mind, all this happened before Stanford bit the bullet and allowed its coaches (specifically the football coach) to show up on the annual Form 990.  My sense is once this barrier crossed, the university has not clamped down on major sports admissions.  [What's the point of paying Big Dollars for a coach and then hamstringing ability to win?].  Doesn't mean a clamp down won't occur . . . but I don't think we've seen it in last 15 years.

[teejers1]

re: football recruiting for Shaw...isn't the admissions dept a big factor in football recruiting at Stanford? From what I know, the athlete acceptance standards aren't set in stone and change from time to time depending on various other factors. I do know it's a big deal for basketball. Although the $10M the Warriors paid him was the main reason he left, Montgomery did speak of recruiting/admissions as a major issue at the time. His departing recruiting class, while the team went 30-2 and was #1 in the country that year, was Tim Morris, Peter Prowitt, and Taj Finger. The recruiting class the year before was Fred Washington, Evan Moore, and Mark Bradford. Back to back classes that were quite the step down from previous years. The "recruiting follows success" logic certainly didn't hold true in those years.

I don't really know the answer, so I wonder what the football admissions landscape was like during the Harbaugh and early Shaw years compared to the last 4 years. I think it's safe to say that building football and basketball dynasties aren't really at the top of the list for the Stanford administration.

I am unaware of any accusations (or even rumblings) that the football admissions landscape (or the hoops admissions landscape, for that matter) have changed to detriment of ability to recruit players to Stanford.  The tectonic shift from Mamlet was well known, and even documents by the late, great Steve Durrett who, iirc, had what  became know as "The Durrett Scale" showing combo of GPA and scores that was generally needed to gain admissions to Stanford.  The bar raised noticeably with Mamlet, iirc, which is one of the big reasons Monty got frustrated and left.

Keep in mind, all this happened before Stanford bit the bullet and allowed its coaches (specifically the football coach) to show up on the annual Form 990.  My sense is once this barrier crossed, the university has not clamped down on major sports admissions.  [What's the point of paying Big Dollars for a coach and then hamstringing ability to win?].  Doesn't mean a clamp down won't occur . . . but I don't think we've seen it in last 15 years.