02-12-2023, 02:41 AM
(02-11-2023, 03:30 PM)CompSci87 Wrote: There is more to the rule about going out of bounds and coming back in than I was aware of. However I still don't see how Hannah committed a violation.(Sorry, I'm out of town on a family emergency.)
Quote:Section 3. Player Out of Bounds Art. 1. A player who steps out of bounds under their own volition and then becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court has committed a violation.
Hannah wasn't "the first player to touch the ball" after going out of bounds and coming back in, because the ball was still in Talana's hands when Hannah came back in. It wasn't in the air.
(By the way, from context this rule seems to be mostly for throw-ins; there's a paragraph (a) after it that applies only to throw-ins. But there's nothing that says what I quoted above applies only to throw-ins.)
I suppose it could have been a phantom call under this rule if the ref thought Talana released the pass way before she really did.
p.s. Well, the WBB rules casebook gives an example that makes it sound as if this rule was violated
Quote:Player Out of Bounds A.R. 249. Team A sets a double screen for A1, who leaves the playing court voluntarily and runs under the basket, circles around, returns to the playing court, and then is the first to receive the ball. RULING: A violation has been committed by A1 for voluntarily leaving the playing court and then becoming the first player to touch the ball upon return. (Rule 9-3.1)
The example says "first to receive the ball. Nevertheless the rule says "first to touch the ball". I can't imagine the rule really means that if you go out of bounds and some player on your team has the ball inbounds, the player with the ball has to pass it to some third player before you are allowed to touch it again.
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MT, do you have any ideas what the violation was?
No doubt you have identified the rule this ref was appealing to. My oldest NCAA rule book is 2011 and the rule is unchanged since then.
I do believe the rule was intended for a throw-in. The Casebook example can best be read where this is a throw-in. That's when "first to receive" makes sense. (The difference between first to "receive" and "touch" is that the first to touch might tap the ball to another player rather than receive it.)
The rule as written really only makes sense on a throw-in.
IMO, the rule should be rewritten to clarify either that this applies only to a throw-in, or to clarify what "first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court" means in the case of ongoing play. Also, the "steps out of bounds" needs to be restricted to certain situations, or (more simply) restricted by the rule being only about play during a throw-in.
Taken literally without restricting it to a throw-in, the rule is ignored many times in most games. After a turnover by the opponent, a player steps out of bounds to execute the throw-in, but then another player executes the throw-in to the first player. Indeed, after most any timeout, no player can be the first to touch the ball since they all stepped out of bounds. Ditto for a player that is returning to the game just before a throw-in.
Another case that might be applicable is where a player rescues the ball from going out of bounds, just before stepping out of bounds, and then steps inbounds to recover the ball.
Or, a player barely able to stay inbounds, tosses the ball up, steps out of bounds to recover her balance, steps back inbounds, and then catches the ball (no, it isn't traveling if her pivot foot was inbounds & didn't move).
Hmmm.... this brings up a question. The player has one foot inbounds and one foot out of bounds, but doesn't have the ball (if she did, she would be out of bounds). She lifts the foot that was out of bounds (but doesn't set it down inbounds). Is she now inbounds? (Yes, by 4.18.1.a)
I think many of us agree that the call was bad.
