03-10-2023, 06:20 AM
It is a pathetic surrender monkey raising of the white flag to bring Haase back. Just an absolutely stunning low regard for what's possible to be accomplished at Stanford and lack of pride in holding people accountable for their results.
Haase has never had a good (KenPom top 40 team), after inheriting a program that had been KenPom top 40 seven of the 15 years prior to Haase. He's literally never had a season on par with what I think we should expect as a median season. But even if one believes that it's become fundamentally more difficult for Stanford to compete than it was in the years of Trent Johnson, I don't know how somebody compares Haase to Johnny Dawkins even and thinks that it's remotely defensible to keep Haase. And if somebody thinks it's become fundamentally more difficult to compete than it was for Dawkins, then we can compare Haase's results to those at mediocre major conference programs. Let's see how many top 40 seasons major conference programs have had in the last seven years:
1. Duke - 7
1. Kansas - 7
1. Baylor - 7
1. Purdue - 7
1. Michigan - 7
6. Villanova - 6
6. Arizona - 6
6. Kentucky - 6
9. Virginia - 5
9. North Carolina - 5
9. Florida State - 5
9. Texas - 5
9. TCU - 5
9. West Virginia - 5
9. Texas Tech - 5
9. Creighton - 5
9. Michigan State - 5
9. Iowa - 5
9. Maryland - 5
9. Wisconsin - 5
9. Tennessee - 5
9. Auburn - 5
23. Louisville - 4
23. Oklahoma State - 4
23. Oklahoma - 4
23. Marquette - 4
23. Illinois - 4
23. Ohio State - 4
23. UCLA - 4
23. Oregon - 4
23. Florida - 4
23. Arkansas - 4
23. LSU - 4
34. Virginia Tech - 3
34. Notre Dame - 3
34. Kansas State - 3
34. Iowa State - 3
34. Xavier - 3
34. Connecticut -3
34. Butler - 3
34. Penn State - 3
34. Alabama - 3
34. Texas A&M - 3
44. Miami - 2
44. Clemson - 2
44. Wake Forest - 2
44. Providence - 2
44. Seton Hall - 2
44. Indiana - 2
44. Rutgers - 2
44. Minnesota - 2
44. USC - 2
44. Colorado - 2
54. Syracuse - 1
54. Georgia Tech - 1
54. Northwestern - 1
54. Missouri - 1
54. Vanderbilt - 1
54. Mississippi State - 1
54. South Carolina - 1
61. Pitt - 0
61. NC State - 0
61. Boston College - 0
61. St. John's - 0
61. DePaul - 0
61. Georgetown - 0
61. Nebraska - 0
61. Arizona State - 0
61. Washington State - 0
61. Utah - 0
61. Washington - 0
61. Stanford - 0
61. Oregon State - 0
61. Cal - 0
61. Georgia - 0
61. Ole Miss - 0
Having established that Stanford has been in the bottom 20 percent of high major programs during Haase's tenure in terms of number of relevant seasons, I thought I'd try to be more precise about putting us in perspective among the crappy programs. A stab at measuring relevance (prioritizing NCAA tournaments followed by secondary tournaments followed by looking at median results):
NC State - three postseasons including one NCAA tournament, Keatts in his sixth year, median season #50
Arizona State - two NCAA tournaments, Hurley in his eighth year, median season #65
Oregon State - two NCAA tournaments including an Elite Eight, Tinkle in his ninth year, median season #100
Georgetown - two postseasons including one NCAA tournament, Ewing in his sixth year before being recently fired, median season #94
Ole Miss - three postseasons including an NCAA tournament, Davis in his fifth year before being recently fired, median season #102
Washington - two postseasons including one NCAA tournament, Hopkins in his sixth year, median season #105
St. John's - one NCAA tournament, Anderson in his fourth year, median season #74
Pitt - no postseasons but may make the NCAA tournament this year, Capel in his fifth year, median season #101
Utah - two postseasons, Smith in his second year, median season #72
Nebraska - two postseasons, Hoiberg in his fourth year, median season #107
Washington State - one postseason with an NIT likely this year, Smith in his fourth year, median season #127
Stanford - one postseason, Haase in his seventh year, median season #87
Georgia - one postseason, White in his first year, median season #96
DePaul - one postseason, Stubblefield in his second year, median season #118
Boston College - one postseason, Grant in his second year, median season #173
Cal - no postseasons, Fox in his fourth year before being recently fired, median season #153
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My conclusion is that Stanford under Haase has been approximately the 72nd most relevant of 76 high major basketball programs. Bottom six percent of all programs. Awful. If you put maximum stock in consistent mediocrity and don't punish for the postseason irrelevance, instead ranking these programs based on median season, Stanford would be approximately 65th of 76, bottom 15 percent. Moreover, teams don't just let such irrelevance continue on to an eighth year. As you can see above, the only programs that have kept such mediocre coaches as long as us are Arizona State (hardly the same thing as they made the Big Dance twice to our zero) and Oregon State (hardly the same thing as they made the Big Dance twice, including an Elite Eight, to our zero). Literally nobody else in the nation epitomize the definition of insanity like Stanford. Nobody just runs a high major coach out there for the better part of the decade without ever once fielding a good team.
Being mediocre seven years in a row is not mediocre, it is one of the worst coaches in the country in relation to those that get to keep their jobs in high major basketball. Nobody gets to be this bad for this long and keep their job, except at Stanford.
Haase has never had a good (KenPom top 40 team), after inheriting a program that had been KenPom top 40 seven of the 15 years prior to Haase. He's literally never had a season on par with what I think we should expect as a median season. But even if one believes that it's become fundamentally more difficult for Stanford to compete than it was in the years of Trent Johnson, I don't know how somebody compares Haase to Johnny Dawkins even and thinks that it's remotely defensible to keep Haase. And if somebody thinks it's become fundamentally more difficult to compete than it was for Dawkins, then we can compare Haase's results to those at mediocre major conference programs. Let's see how many top 40 seasons major conference programs have had in the last seven years:
1. Duke - 7
1. Kansas - 7
1. Baylor - 7
1. Purdue - 7
1. Michigan - 7
6. Villanova - 6
6. Arizona - 6
6. Kentucky - 6
9. Virginia - 5
9. North Carolina - 5
9. Florida State - 5
9. Texas - 5
9. TCU - 5
9. West Virginia - 5
9. Texas Tech - 5
9. Creighton - 5
9. Michigan State - 5
9. Iowa - 5
9. Maryland - 5
9. Wisconsin - 5
9. Tennessee - 5
9. Auburn - 5
23. Louisville - 4
23. Oklahoma State - 4
23. Oklahoma - 4
23. Marquette - 4
23. Illinois - 4
23. Ohio State - 4
23. UCLA - 4
23. Oregon - 4
23. Florida - 4
23. Arkansas - 4
23. LSU - 4
34. Virginia Tech - 3
34. Notre Dame - 3
34. Kansas State - 3
34. Iowa State - 3
34. Xavier - 3
34. Connecticut -3
34. Butler - 3
34. Penn State - 3
34. Alabama - 3
34. Texas A&M - 3
44. Miami - 2
44. Clemson - 2
44. Wake Forest - 2
44. Providence - 2
44. Seton Hall - 2
44. Indiana - 2
44. Rutgers - 2
44. Minnesota - 2
44. USC - 2
44. Colorado - 2
54. Syracuse - 1
54. Georgia Tech - 1
54. Northwestern - 1
54. Missouri - 1
54. Vanderbilt - 1
54. Mississippi State - 1
54. South Carolina - 1
61. Pitt - 0
61. NC State - 0
61. Boston College - 0
61. St. John's - 0
61. DePaul - 0
61. Georgetown - 0
61. Nebraska - 0
61. Arizona State - 0
61. Washington State - 0
61. Utah - 0
61. Washington - 0
61. Stanford - 0
61. Oregon State - 0
61. Cal - 0
61. Georgia - 0
61. Ole Miss - 0
Having established that Stanford has been in the bottom 20 percent of high major programs during Haase's tenure in terms of number of relevant seasons, I thought I'd try to be more precise about putting us in perspective among the crappy programs. A stab at measuring relevance (prioritizing NCAA tournaments followed by secondary tournaments followed by looking at median results):
NC State - three postseasons including one NCAA tournament, Keatts in his sixth year, median season #50
Arizona State - two NCAA tournaments, Hurley in his eighth year, median season #65
Oregon State - two NCAA tournaments including an Elite Eight, Tinkle in his ninth year, median season #100
Georgetown - two postseasons including one NCAA tournament, Ewing in his sixth year before being recently fired, median season #94
Ole Miss - three postseasons including an NCAA tournament, Davis in his fifth year before being recently fired, median season #102
Washington - two postseasons including one NCAA tournament, Hopkins in his sixth year, median season #105
St. John's - one NCAA tournament, Anderson in his fourth year, median season #74
Pitt - no postseasons but may make the NCAA tournament this year, Capel in his fifth year, median season #101
Utah - two postseasons, Smith in his second year, median season #72
Nebraska - two postseasons, Hoiberg in his fourth year, median season #107
Washington State - one postseason with an NIT likely this year, Smith in his fourth year, median season #127
Stanford - one postseason, Haase in his seventh year, median season #87
Georgia - one postseason, White in his first year, median season #96
DePaul - one postseason, Stubblefield in his second year, median season #118
Boston College - one postseason, Grant in his second year, median season #173
Cal - no postseasons, Fox in his fourth year before being recently fired, median season #153
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My conclusion is that Stanford under Haase has been approximately the 72nd most relevant of 76 high major basketball programs. Bottom six percent of all programs. Awful. If you put maximum stock in consistent mediocrity and don't punish for the postseason irrelevance, instead ranking these programs based on median season, Stanford would be approximately 65th of 76, bottom 15 percent. Moreover, teams don't just let such irrelevance continue on to an eighth year. As you can see above, the only programs that have kept such mediocre coaches as long as us are Arizona State (hardly the same thing as they made the Big Dance twice to our zero) and Oregon State (hardly the same thing as they made the Big Dance twice, including an Elite Eight, to our zero). Literally nobody else in the nation epitomize the definition of insanity like Stanford. Nobody just runs a high major coach out there for the better part of the decade without ever once fielding a good team.
Being mediocre seven years in a row is not mediocre, it is one of the worst coaches in the country in relation to those that get to keep their jobs in high major basketball. Nobody gets to be this bad for this long and keep their job, except at Stanford.