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johnny0:  When I raised the Harbs 2008/Shaw 2012 comparison I knew the "replaced Shaw as OC" response was coming but decided to throw that fat one right down the middle to you anyway.  And I do think that adding Roman/Fangio as coordinators is at the top of the list of Harbs' best moves and absolutely critical to putting Stanford football in the national conversation.  However he didn't make those moves until after his third year (he added Roman to the staff after his second year, but not as OC).

But the comparison isn't relevant?  If I was comparing W-L records then I agree with you the comparison is skewed because of what Harbs started with and Shaw getting the initial 11-2 with the original Andrew Luck Director of Offense under center (however I would argue that a lot of coaches could have screwed that up given the loss of aforementioned Roman/Fangio).  But I'm comparing decision-making, and potential for improvement and growth, and the comparison is absolutely relevant. 

[ATLCard]

johnny0:  When I raised the Harbs 2008/Shaw 2012 comparison I knew the "replaced Shaw as OC" response was coming but decided to throw that fat one right down the middle to you anyway.  And I do think that adding Roman/Fangio as coordinators is at the top of the list of Harbs' best moves and absolutely critical to putting Stanford football in the national conversation.  However he didn't make those moves until after his third year (he added Roman to the staff after his second year, but not as OC).

But the comparison isn't relevant?  If I was comparing W-L records then I agree with you the comparison is skewed because of what Harbs started with and Shaw getting the initial 11-2 with the original Andrew Luck Director of Offense under center (however I would argue that a lot of coaches could have screwed that up given the loss of aforementioned Roman/Fangio).  But I'm comparing decision-making, and potential for improvement and growth, and the comparison is absolutely relevant.