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Injury riddled senior season.  Yet they kept running him out there.  Still makes me mad.

I remember Shaw saying if you asked Bryce if he was OK to go he would always say yes. Assuming he had been cleared by the medical types it's hard to tell a kid he can't play if he wants to.

Every athlete wants to play, or feels they should. It's a combination of factors:

 - Subtle pressure from the coach brought about by the coach's fear for his/her job and need for optimal athletic performance 
 - Optimism on the part of both the coach and the athlete that all will go well
 - Lack of understanding of the medical issues 
 - Lack of experience with the specific medical issues 
 - Lack of concern for the athlete's welfare and future on the part of the coach (tell me I'm wrong)
 - Desire on the part of the athlete to play
 - Fear of letting down coaches, family, teammates
 - Fear of being regarded as a wimp

Plenty of pressure, both subtle and overt, to participate. Very little pressure for recuperation.

Coaches are not doctors. It's the docs job to provide an expert opinion as to the risks of playing through an injury, if it risks worsening said injury or causing long term harm, and clearing a player or not based on those factors. 

It's the coaches and ADs (and the docs) job to ensure those decisions are made without undue influence from those with secondary gain riding on the outcome. That is a major thing to accuse Shaw of, and I've seen no evidence of this anywhere. Furthermore many Stanford Orthopods could probably quit and make 1.5-2x their salary at PAMF or Kaiser, so it's hard to imagine one agreeing to provide suboptimal care due to external pressure.

Right, so two things. First, every coach I ever had did that. I fully dislocated my arm in the first half of a game, and the coach convinced me to go back in in the second half. I've played with concussions. 

So tell me about John Paye's decision to re-enter games with a ruined throwing shoulder and how it affected his future? That's all on John John?

[Mick]

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from the Daily


https://stanforddaily.com/2024/05/14/fro...ay-15-2024

Injury riddled senior season.  Yet they kept running him out there.  Still makes me mad.

I remember Shaw saying if you asked Bryce if he was OK to go he would always say yes. Assuming he had been cleared by the medical types it's hard to tell a kid he can't play if he wants to.

Every athlete wants to play, or feels they should. It's a combination of factors:

 - Subtle pressure from the coach brought about by the coach's fear for his/her job and need for optimal athletic performance 
 - Optimism on the part of both the coach and the athlete that all will go well
 - Lack of understanding of the medical issues 
 - Lack of experience with the specific medical issues 
 - Lack of concern for the athlete's welfare and future on the part of the coach (tell me I'm wrong)
 - Desire on the part of the athlete to play
 - Fear of letting down coaches, family, teammates
 - Fear of being regarded as a wimp

Plenty of pressure, both subtle and overt, to participate. Very little pressure for recuperation.

Coaches are not doctors. It's the docs job to provide an expert opinion as to the risks of playing through an injury, if it risks worsening said injury or causing long term harm, and clearing a player or not based on those factors. 

It's the coaches and ADs (and the docs) job to ensure those decisions are made without undue influence from those with secondary gain riding on the outcome. That is a major thing to accuse Shaw of, and I've seen no evidence of this anywhere. Furthermore many Stanford Orthopods could probably quit and make 1.5-2x their salary at PAMF or Kaiser, so it's hard to imagine one agreeing to provide suboptimal care due to external pressure.

Right, so two things. First, every coach I ever had did that. I fully dislocated my arm in the first half of a game, and the coach convinced me to go back in in the second half. I've played with concussions. 

So tell me about John Paye's decision to re-enter games with a ruined throwing shoulder and how it affected his future? That's all on John John?