[82lsju]

I want to go back to the original issue: transfer restrictions (not admissions standards per se)

I think this refers to the notoriously low rate of undergraduate transfers permitted.  I think that is at least partially affected by our stingy <4% frosh admission rate, and by other issues (housing, facilities, etc) that for one reason or another seem to have kept our student body undergraduate numbers at roughly the same levels for the past 50-60 years.

I am a bit bothered by what I see as the schizophrenic view of two Stanfords: undergrad and grad, which are totally different universes (I can speak directly to this, having been a student in both).  

Undergrad was for many of us the first time out of the nest, an eye-opening experience and exposure to new people, new ideas, a much deeper academic dig into things like history, literature, philosophy, and yeah, a chance to grow up and find ourselves, and a chance to be and feel part of a community of intelligent folks. 

The grad universe is all about research and grants, or professional preparation (Biz, Med, Law, Ed) -- with a few exceptions, I didn't see a lot of identification with the Stanford Community as a whole IMHO, and certainly almost no interaction with the undergrad universe.  And going all the way back to Caspar, it got most of the attention from the administration because there always seemed to be a big institutional motivation to land those research grants or Silicon Valley donations.  I really think there's an imbalance here.

I agree with you on the typical engagement with Stanford by undergrad and grad alumni

some interesting tid-bits on alumni from a recent zoom session with the SAA

total alums ~250k

• total alums undergrad only ~90k
  
• total alums grad only ~130k
  
• total alums grad and undergrad ~25k
  

so ~115k total undergrad alums (~90k + ~25k above), so just under half of the alums have an undergrad experience

alums by location (a rough SWAG at the number of undergrad alums would be half of each number below)

total alums in the US ~225k (~123k undergrad?)

• total alums in the Bay Area ~60k (~30k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in LA ~12k (~6k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in NYC ~8.2k (~4.1k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in Seattle ~7.6k (~3.8k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in DC ~7.4k (~3.7k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in San Diego ~4.4k (~2.2k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in Portland ~3.9k (~2k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in Denver ~3.9k (~2k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in Chicago ~3.4k (~1.7k undergrad?)
  

total alums outside the US ~25k (~12.5k undergrad?)

• total alums in England ~1.7k (~0.85k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in Japan ~1.6k (~0.8k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in Singapore ~1.3k (~0.65k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in France ~1.2k (~0.6k undergrad?)
  

[82lsju]

I want to go back to the original issue: transfer restrictions (not admissions standards per se)

I think this refers to the notoriously low rate of undergraduate transfers permitted.  I think that is at least partially affected by our stingy <4% frosh admission rate, and by other issues (housing, facilities, etc) that for one reason or another seem to have kept our student body undergraduate numbers at roughly the same levels for the past 50-60 years.

I am a bit bothered by what I see as the schizophrenic view of two Stanfords: undergrad and grad, which are totally different universes (I can speak directly to this, having been a student in both).  

Undergrad was for many of us the first time out of the nest, an eye-opening experience and exposure to new people, new ideas, a much deeper academic dig into things like history, literature, philosophy, and yeah, a chance to grow up and find ourselves, and a chance to be and feel part of a community of intelligent folks. 

The grad universe is all about research and grants, or professional preparation (Biz, Med, Law, Ed) -- with a few exceptions, I didn't see a lot of identification with the Stanford Community as a whole IMHO, and certainly almost no interaction with the undergrad universe.  And going all the way back to Caspar, it got most of the attention from the administration because there always seemed to be a big institutional motivation to land those research grants or Silicon Valley donations.  I really think there's an imbalance here.

I agree with you on the typical engagement with Stanford by undergrad and grad alumni

some interesting tid-bits on alumni from a recent zoom session with the SAA

total alums ~250k

• total alums undergrad only ~90k
  
• total alums grad only ~130k
  
• total alums grad and undergrad ~25k
  

so ~115k total undergrad alums (~90k + ~25k above), so just under half of the alums have an undergrad experience

alums by location (a rough SWAG at the number of undergrad alums would be half of each number below)

total alums in the US ~225k (~123k undergrad?)

• total alums in the Bay Area ~60k (~30k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in LA ~12k (~6k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in NYC ~8.2k (~4.1k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in Seattle ~7.6k (~3.8k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in DC ~7.4k (~3.7k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in San Diego ~4.4k (~2.2k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in Portland ~3.9k (~2k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in Denver ~3.9k (~2k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in Chicago ~3.4k (~1.7k undergrad?)
  

total alums outside the US ~25k (~12.5k undergrad?)

• total alums in England ~1.7k (~0.85k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in Japan ~1.6k (~0.8k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in Singapore ~1.3k (~0.65k undergrad?)
  
• total alums in France ~1.2k (~0.6k undergrad?)