12-23-2013, 01:48 AM
Look stupac2, I get that you want to stand up for your guy or whatever, but if you'd read my posts, you see where I make the link from mechanics to on-field performance. Just because you don't think it's there doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Watch an episode of Sports Science some time. Or take a high-level coaching certification class sometime in a sport where fundamental mechanics matter.
Hogan benefits from good WR speed and defensive overcommitment to stopping the run. I fully admit, I need some concrete stats to back this up, but I seem to remember the successful deep throws (however you want to define it--20+ yds from LOS?) coming from under center, single back formations that have Tyler Gaffney and OL roadgraders threatening up front. (Anyone want to chart the successful deep throws?)
Anyway, I see washingtonmoney is testing me--the UCLA and second USC videos are not directly relevant to the issue at hand. Against UCLA, the receiver did not secure the ball and caused a ricochet INT. The second USC video was a boneheaded "throwaway" ball while being sacked that did not get thrown out of bounds. In fact Hogan may have thought he had a shot at a completion...which he did, just to a player wearing a Trojan helmet.
All those traumatic plays are coming from the 4 wide, single back shotgun set. Maybe we need to stop running those plays...ugh.
I've unfairly caused some tunnel vision regarding where I think mechanics matters--it's not just the INTs, it's all the throws. As others have pointed out, his preferred semi-sidearm release means he has to heave the ball downfield on deep throws (I think of it as lofting), and I swear it looks exactly like that, especially when the throws sail over his receivers. Confirmation bias perhaps, but anyone is free to assemble stats to the contrary.Â
When it comes to throwing behind his receivers, I honestly think Hogan doesn't realize how long it takes for him to throw, and maybe the extra time taken to loop around his windup means the receiver is that much further ahead of where Hogan is throwing to when the ball gets there. All those video clips really make me think he looks like a pitcher on the mound.
stupac2: Chryst needs to learn the playbook--he won't get the benefit of this year's top-tier defense, so a good comparison is impossible.
I get that he's our guy (the guy, no controversy), but watch some other QBs in action some time. As a some-time fast-twitch sport player, I can tell you that when you have to hit a window of opportunity, the time taken between recognizing the window and delivering the ball there is crucial. How you deliver the ball impacts whether the ball's arrival time and location are what you were thinking they would be...
Hogan benefits from good WR speed and defensive overcommitment to stopping the run. I fully admit, I need some concrete stats to back this up, but I seem to remember the successful deep throws (however you want to define it--20+ yds from LOS?) coming from under center, single back formations that have Tyler Gaffney and OL roadgraders threatening up front. (Anyone want to chart the successful deep throws?)
Anyway, I see washingtonmoney is testing me--the UCLA and second USC videos are not directly relevant to the issue at hand. Against UCLA, the receiver did not secure the ball and caused a ricochet INT. The second USC video was a boneheaded "throwaway" ball while being sacked that did not get thrown out of bounds. In fact Hogan may have thought he had a shot at a completion...which he did, just to a player wearing a Trojan helmet.
All those traumatic plays are coming from the 4 wide, single back shotgun set. Maybe we need to stop running those plays...ugh.
I've unfairly caused some tunnel vision regarding where I think mechanics matters--it's not just the INTs, it's all the throws. As others have pointed out, his preferred semi-sidearm release means he has to heave the ball downfield on deep throws (I think of it as lofting), and I swear it looks exactly like that, especially when the throws sail over his receivers. Confirmation bias perhaps, but anyone is free to assemble stats to the contrary.Â
When it comes to throwing behind his receivers, I honestly think Hogan doesn't realize how long it takes for him to throw, and maybe the extra time taken to loop around his windup means the receiver is that much further ahead of where Hogan is throwing to when the ball gets there. All those video clips really make me think he looks like a pitcher on the mound.
stupac2: Chryst needs to learn the playbook--he won't get the benefit of this year's top-tier defense, so a good comparison is impossible.
I get that he's our guy (the guy, no controversy), but watch some other QBs in action some time. As a some-time fast-twitch sport player, I can tell you that when you have to hit a window of opportunity, the time taken between recognizing the window and delivering the ball there is crucial. How you deliver the ball impacts whether the ball's arrival time and location are what you were thinking they would be...
