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[quote author=Brainiac_Infinite link=topic=9901.msg88600#msg88600 date=1398639499]
shot clock violation...

What is the clock in water polo?  It seemed like on other possessions we had the ball for a lot longer than on that last possession.
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For NCAA Women, it is a 35 second shot clock (the men's shot clock dropped from 35 to 30 in 2012).

I believe the rule for shot clock reset is that it is reset when it is shot, no matter what happens on the shot.  If there is a field block and the shooting team recovers, they have a new shot clock. (In other words, I'm disagreeing (politely, I hope) with VG.)

The timekeeper recording the possession time shall reset the shot clock:
a. When the ball has left the hand of the player shooting at goal. If the ball rebounds into play from the goal post, crossbar or the goalkeeper, the
possession time shall not recommence until the ball comes into the possession of one of the teams.

  http://www.ncaapublications.com/productd...s/WP14.pdf

(Possession of the ball if it goes out of bounds after a shot is determined by whether the goalie touched it last or not.  It isn't like basketball: If a defender in the field touches the shot ball, and it goes out of bounds without touching the goalie, then possession is given to the defense.)

Going into the last minute with a lead of 6-5 was not a secure lead.  Even though the other team has only scored 5 points in 31 minutes of play, water polo sees an inordinate amount of goals in the last minute.

I counted 4 shots that Stanford should have made but didn't, compared to one for UCLA.  (Not that I'm saying the players didn't shoot well, just that the shots were close & open enough, and not blocked.  It happens.)  Stanford could have had a bigger win;  UCLA was somewhat lucky it was this close.    The game was well played defensively.  I thought it was rougher in the hole (and on the whole) than the Kal game.  I thought UCLA's offense looked better than Stanford generally.  Stanford's defense played as though they were very concerned about UCLA's 2 meter person.  (And, from what we saw in the first half, with good reason.)  UCLA outside players played further away from the goal, giving more room to get the ball into the hole, but with less chance of making an outside shot.  Stanford's offense seemed relatively clogged up, but still we didn't take many shots from 5-6 meters out.

Stanford got 3 goals in each half.  UCLA got 5 in the first half and none in the second.  UCLA only had 2 other games with 5 or fewer goals (one was the 8-4 loss to Stanford; one was a 5-4 win over Hawaii).  Stanford only had one other game with under 9 goals --- the 9-6 loss against UCLA.

We won all the sprints today, whereas we lost almost all of them in the televised games to US.C and Kal.  Did I see we used at least 3 different sprinters?

As VG said, the win today puts us with only 1 serious opponent between us and a national championship.  That opponent will likely be UCLA.  If that happens, it will be another close game.

I just realized that this is the first MPSF conference championship for any of the Stanford players.  The seniors have 2 national championships and a near miss in their junior year, but this is the first conference championship.  That just goes to show how this conference has by far the strongest teams year after year.


For those of you new to the game, the most abused rule is that you can put your hand on a player when they have the ball, but not when they don't.  So when the player lets go of the ball (drops it), if you're touching them, then an ordinary foul is called.  But then, what about all the mauling that goes on in the hole? Basically, you can push a person around with your body (or head) and vice versa, but using your arms, hands, or legs may be called. The calling of fouls is an art --- I don't think anyone could write down rules that cover how fouls are or aren't called.  There's more fouling and more faking of fouls in water polo than in any other sport I've watched or played in.  That's why you'll see players with both hands in the air (not using them for blocking) when in close proximity, as they try to show the ref they aren't grabbing.  And yet, a player with both hands in the air may get called for an exclusion foul.

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[quote author=Brainiac_Infinite link=topic=9901.msg88600#msg88600 date=1398639499]
shot clock violation...

What is the clock in water polo?  It seemed like on other possessions we had the ball for a lot longer than on that last possession.
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For NCAA Women, it is a 35 second shot clock (the men's shot clock dropped from 35 to 30 in 2012).

I believe the rule for shot clock reset is that it is reset when it is shot, no matter what happens on the shot.  If there is a field block and the shooting team recovers, they have a new shot clock. (In other words, I'm disagreeing (politely, I hope) with VG.)

The timekeeper recording the possession time shall reset the shot clock:
a. When the ball has left the hand of the player shooting at goal. If the ball rebounds into play from the goal post, crossbar or the goalkeeper, the
possession time shall not recommence until the ball comes into the possession of one of the teams.

  http://www.ncaapublications.com/productd...s/WP14.pdf

(Possession of the ball if it goes out of bounds after a shot is determined by whether the goalie touched it last or not.  It isn't like basketball: If a defender in the field touches the shot ball, and it goes out of bounds without touching the goalie, then possession is given to the defense.)

Going into the last minute with a lead of 6-5 was not a secure lead.  Even though the other team has only scored 5 points in 31 minutes of play, water polo sees an inordinate amount of goals in the last minute.

I counted 4 shots that Stanford should have made but didn't, compared to one for UCLA.  (Not that I'm saying the players didn't shoot well, just that the shots were close & open enough, and not blocked.  It happens.)  Stanford could have had a bigger win;  UCLA was somewhat lucky it was this close.    The game was well played defensively.  I thought it was rougher in the hole (and on the whole) than the Kal game.  I thought UCLA's offense looked better than Stanford generally.  Stanford's defense played as though they were very concerned about UCLA's 2 meter person.  (And, from what we saw in the first half, with good reason.)  UCLA outside players played further away from the goal, giving more room to get the ball into the hole, but with less chance of making an outside shot.  Stanford's offense seemed relatively clogged up, but still we didn't take many shots from 5-6 meters out.

Stanford got 3 goals in each half.  UCLA got 5 in the first half and none in the second.  UCLA only had 2 other games with 5 or fewer goals (one was the 8-4 loss to Stanford; one was a 5-4 win over Hawaii).  Stanford only had one other game with under 9 goals --- the 9-6 loss against UCLA.

We won all the sprints today, whereas we lost almost all of them in the televised games to US.C and Kal.  Did I see we used at least 3 different sprinters?

As VG said, the win today puts us with only 1 serious opponent between us and a national championship.  That opponent will likely be UCLA.  If that happens, it will be another close game.

I just realized that this is the first MPSF conference championship for any of the Stanford players.  The seniors have 2 national championships and a near miss in their junior year, but this is the first conference championship.  That just goes to show how this conference has by far the strongest teams year after year.


For those of you new to the game, the most abused rule is that you can put your hand on a player when they have the ball, but not when they don't.  So when the player lets go of the ball (drops it), if you're touching them, then an ordinary foul is called.  But then, what about all the mauling that goes on in the hole? Basically, you can push a person around with your body (or head) and vice versa, but using your arms, hands, or legs may be called. The calling of fouls is an art --- I don't think anyone could write down rules that cover how fouls are or aren't called.  There's more fouling and more faking of fouls in water polo than in any other sport I've watched or played in.  That's why you'll see players with both hands in the air (not using them for blocking) when in close proximity, as they try to show the ref they aren't grabbing.  And yet, a player with both hands in the air may get called for an exclusion foul.