[stupac2]

OK, just to clear up the "football factory" accusations, I checked with a website, databasefootball.com, to compare the number of ND guys vs Stanford guys who at one time have played at the NFL level...doesn't include currently active players (most recent listing was for 2008-2010), but goes back to the 1920s.  Can't vouch for the accuracy of the lists, but ND has had 494 players to Stanford's 199.
BTW, there is not a brobdingnagian difference in undergrad enrollments at the two (ND, 8371; SU, 6980).
Relative to much larger schools, I don't think either of us can credibly fling the term "football factory" around.  Let's save it for the SEC schools...or maybe U*S*C.

What does that have to do with anything? A school can have a good football team (and thus send players to the NFL) without being a "football factory". I use that term to mean that they're a football team with a school attached, not the other way around.

[stupac2]

OK, just to clear up the "football factory" accusations, I checked with a website, databasefootball.com, to compare the number of ND guys vs Stanford guys who at one time have played at the NFL level...doesn't include currently active players (most recent listing was for 2008-2010), but goes back to the 1920s.  Can't vouch for the accuracy of the lists, but ND has had 494 players to Stanford's 199.
BTW, there is not a brobdingnagian difference in undergrad enrollments at the two (ND, 8371; SU, 6980).
Relative to much larger schools, I don't think either of us can credibly fling the term "football factory" around.  Let's save it for the SEC schools...or maybe U*S*C.

What does that have to do with anything? A school can have a good football team (and thus send players to the NFL) without being a "football factory". I use that term to mean that they're a football team with a school attached, not the other way around.