10-08-2015, 10:15 PM
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W. Churchill
Vicious! Kelly to U.S.C.?
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W. Churchill
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W. Churchill
(10-08-2015, 10:15 PM)ferrari link Wrote:Oh, tell us how you really feel.
First off, why is the USA Today publishing whining, post-loss fan board posts?
I don't quite get the Kelly as the Great White Whale thing. That article essentially says Kelly would be a perfect fit at $C because he is a good coach. Yeah ...
He certainly was a good coach at Oregon. And he had a good start at Philly - along with some current struggles. But there are lots of good coaches out there. As far as I can tell, it would be approximately equally as relevant to write an article that $C must hire Belicheck now, or Saban, or Harbaugh ... or for that matter David Shaw or Chris Petersen.
Does Kelly have any particular ties to $C, or LA, or California?
I guess there is one way I can see a particular fit between Kelly and $C. Kelly has clearly demonstrated he is not particularly interested in NCAA rules, which $C would encourage. In fact the two were under NCAA sanctions together.
(10-08-2015, 10:15 PM)ferrari link Wrote:Oh, tell us how you really feel.
First off, why is the USA Today publishing whining, post-loss fan board posts?
I don't quite get the Kelly as the Great White Whale thing. That article essentially says Kelly would be a perfect fit at $C because he is a good coach. Yeah ...
He certainly was a good coach at Oregon. And he had a good start at Philly - along with some current struggles. But there are lots of good coaches out there. As far as I can tell, it would be approximately equally as relevant to write an article that $C must hire Belicheck now, or Saban, or Harbaugh ... or for that matter David Shaw or Chris Petersen.
Does Kelly have any particular ties to $C, or LA, or California?
I guess there is one way I can see a particular fit between Kelly and $C. Kelly has clearly demonstrated he is not particularly interested in NCAA rules, which $C would encourage. In fact the two were under NCAA sanctions together.
10-09-2015, 06:06 AM
(10-09-2015, 05:58 AM)CTcard link Wrote:First off, why is the USA Today publishing whining, post-loss fan board posts?
I don't quite get the Kelly as the Great White Whale thing. That article essentially says Kelly would be a perfect fit at $C because he is a good coach. Yeah ...
He certainly was a good coach at Oregon. And he had a good start at Philly - along with some current struggles. But there are lots of good coaches out there. As far as I can tell, it would be approximately equally as relevant to write an article that $C must hire Belicheck now, or Saban, or Harbaugh ... or for that matter David Shaw or Chris Petersen.
Does Kelly have any particular ties to $C, or LA, or California?
I guess there is one way I can see a particular fit between Kelly and $C. Kelly has clearly demonstrated he is not particularly interested in NCAA rules, which $C would clearly condone. In fact the two were under NCAA sanction simulataneously.
While at Oregon, Kelly ostensibly recruited heavily in southern California and likely has connections with LA area high school coaches.
SC is a premier program and "dream job" as far as college football goes, so not a brobdingnagian step down in prestige.
He's been successful in the conference.
The offense he dominated with at Oregon is very heavily dependent on having elite athletes, which the LA area produces in spades.
I'm not saying it will happen but there are definitely reasons it wouldn't be a total shocker.
(10-09-2015, 05:58 AM)CTcard link Wrote:First off, why is the USA Today publishing whining, post-loss fan board posts?
I don't quite get the Kelly as the Great White Whale thing. That article essentially says Kelly would be a perfect fit at $C because he is a good coach. Yeah ...
He certainly was a good coach at Oregon. And he had a good start at Philly - along with some current struggles. But there are lots of good coaches out there. As far as I can tell, it would be approximately equally as relevant to write an article that $C must hire Belicheck now, or Saban, or Harbaugh ... or for that matter David Shaw or Chris Petersen.
Does Kelly have any particular ties to $C, or LA, or California?
I guess there is one way I can see a particular fit between Kelly and $C. Kelly has clearly demonstrated he is not particularly interested in NCAA rules, which $C would clearly condone. In fact the two were under NCAA sanction simulataneously.
While at Oregon, Kelly ostensibly recruited heavily in southern California and likely has connections with LA area high school coaches.
SC is a premier program and "dream job" as far as college football goes, so not a brobdingnagian step down in prestige.
He's been successful in the conference.
The offense he dominated with at Oregon is very heavily dependent on having elite athletes, which the LA area produces in spades.
I'm not saying it will happen but there are definitely reasons it wouldn't be a total shocker.
10-09-2015, 06:07 AM
Kelly hated *Oregon* for its demanding boosters. The attention is going to be tamer in LA? Come on.
Kelly hated *Oregon* for its demanding boosters. The attention is going to be tamer in LA? Come on.
10-09-2015, 06:24 AM
(10-09-2015, 06:06 AM)ThePassionOfTheChryst link Wrote:While at Oregon, Kelly ostensibly recruited heavily in southern California and likely has connections with LA area high school coaches.
SC is a premier program and "dream job" as far as college football goes, so not a of exceedingly large proportions step down in prestige.
He's been successful in the conference.
The offense he dominated with at Oregon is very heavily dependent on having elite athletes, which the LA area produces in spades.
Well, maybe.
However, the first three (and really the fourth) also apply to David Shaw, Chris Petersen, Rich Rodriguez, Jim Mora, Todd Graham, Kyle Whittingham, Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll and probably other good coaches I am not thinking about.
It is true that $C is a program with almost unequalled history, recruiting advantages, and money. Thus they are more likely than not to be able to hire the coach they want; which presumably would mean more likely than not able to hire a good coach - despite the evidence of the last two go-rounds.
(10-09-2015, 06:06 AM)ThePassionOfTheChryst link Wrote:While at Oregon, Kelly ostensibly recruited heavily in southern California and likely has connections with LA area high school coaches.
SC is a premier program and "dream job" as far as college football goes, so not a of exceedingly large proportions step down in prestige.
He's been successful in the conference.
The offense he dominated with at Oregon is very heavily dependent on having elite athletes, which the LA area produces in spades.
Well, maybe.
However, the first three (and really the fourth) also apply to David Shaw, Chris Petersen, Rich Rodriguez, Jim Mora, Todd Graham, Kyle Whittingham, Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll and probably other good coaches I am not thinking about.
It is true that $C is a program with almost unequalled history, recruiting advantages, and money. Thus they are more likely than not to be able to hire the coach they want; which presumably would mean more likely than not able to hire a good coach - despite the evidence of the last two go-rounds.
10-09-2015, 06:36 AM
I think people overestimate U$C's ability to go out there and get pretty much any coach they want.
Take Pete Carroll. As successful as he was, IIRC he was their third choice.
Take Pete Carroll. As successful as he was, IIRC he was their third choice.
I think people overestimate U$C's ability to go out there and get pretty much any coach they want.
Take Pete Carroll. As successful as he was, IIRC he was their third choice.
Take Pete Carroll. As successful as he was, IIRC he was their third choice.
10-09-2015, 07:16 AM
(10-09-2015, 06:36 AM)JPRI link Wrote:I think people overestimate U$C's ability to go out there and get pretty much any coach they want.
Take Pete Carroll. As successful as he was, IIRC he was their third choice.
You are correct, I probably stated that too strongly. But I think it is true that $C is in a better position than almost any other program in the country to hire the coach they want. One problem is often they want somebody who isn't practical for one reason or another.Â
(10-09-2015, 06:36 AM)JPRI link Wrote:I think people overestimate U$C's ability to go out there and get pretty much any coach they want.
Take Pete Carroll. As successful as he was, IIRC he was their third choice.
You are correct, I probably stated that too strongly. But I think it is true that $C is in a better position than almost any other program in the country to hire the coach they want. One problem is often they want somebody who isn't practical for one reason or another.Â
10-09-2015, 07:26 AM
Media really want SC to be good. (There was one honest piece that admitted this was true before the season began.)
Why? More trips to LA sounds fun, doesn't it?
Why? More trips to LA sounds fun, doesn't it?
Media really want SC to be good. (There was one honest piece that admitted this was true before the season began.)
Why? More trips to LA sounds fun, doesn't it?
Why? More trips to LA sounds fun, doesn't it?
10-09-2015, 07:32 AM
(10-09-2015, 07:26 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Media really want SC to be good. (There was one honest piece that admitted this was true before the season began.)
Why? More trips to LA sounds fun, doesn't it?
Certainly true about the media.
As to why, I think it has more to do with 1) it's easy - the stories are already written, and 2) large fan base = more people to read (click on) their articles.
(10-09-2015, 07:26 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Media really want SC to be good. (There was one honest piece that admitted this was true before the season began.)
Why? More trips to LA sounds fun, doesn't it?
Certainly true about the media.
As to why, I think it has more to do with 1) it's easy - the stories are already written, and 2) large fan base = more people to read (click on) their articles.
10-09-2015, 07:56 AM
(10-09-2015, 07:32 AM)CTcard link Wrote:\
Certainly true about the media.
As to why, I think it has more to do with 1) it's easy - the stories are already written, and 2) large fan base = more people to read (click on) their articles.
I dunno, I don't see the media writing stuff like, 'college football is more fun when Texas is good!' There's something about SC that makes them do this. (Also, ND).
(10-09-2015, 07:32 AM)CTcard link Wrote:\
Certainly true about the media.
As to why, I think it has more to do with 1) it's easy - the stories are already written, and 2) large fan base = more people to read (click on) their articles.
I dunno, I don't see the media writing stuff like, 'college football is more fun when Texas is good!' There's something about SC that makes them do this. (Also, ND).
10-09-2015, 08:07 AM
(10-09-2015, 07:26 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Why? More trips to LA sounds fun, doesn't it?
Not really. Maybe once they have their shit together and have a transportation system that doesn't require an hour and a car to get literally anywhere, but until then I'll go to San Diego. At least there I can drink good beer.
(10-09-2015, 07:26 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Why? More trips to LA sounds fun, doesn't it?
Not really. Maybe once they have their shit together and have a transportation system that doesn't require an hour and a car to get literally anywhere, but until then I'll go to San Diego. At least there I can drink good beer.
10-09-2015, 10:38 AM
(10-09-2015, 06:07 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Kelly hated *Oregon* for its demanding boosters. The attention is going to be tamer in LA? Come on.
There's only one booster at Oregon who matters. Surely Chip knew that.
10-09-2015, 10:43 AM
(10-09-2015, 07:56 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:I dunno, I don't see the media writing stuff like, 'college football is more fun when Texas is good!' There's something about SC that makes them do this. (Also, ND).
I do.
At the moment what is on my mind is that this is a constant theme on the Sirius college sports radio channel - which I cannot link to. When I get a chance I'll look for something written.
(10-09-2015, 07:56 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:I dunno, I don't see the media writing stuff like, 'college football is more fun when Texas is good!' There's something about SC that makes them do this. (Also, ND).
I do.
At the moment what is on my mind is that this is a constant theme on the Sirius college sports radio channel - which I cannot link to. When I get a chance I'll look for something written.
10-09-2015, 10:43 AM
(10-09-2015, 10:38 AM)fullmetal link Wrote:There's only one booster at Oregon who matters. Surely Chip knew that.
This is not what was commonly reported. http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-20...fense.html
Quote:A number of substantial Oregon football boosters, many of whom requested anonymity, expressed a widespread annoyance with Kelly. The coach with the highest winning percentage (45-7, 86.5 percent) among BCS conference coaches is at odds with many of those closest to the Oregon program. Although most would agree Kelly is an extraordinary coach, he doesn't care much for the many other obligations that come with his job.
"Some of the college boosters have gone as far as to say, 'I hope he does leave so we can get somebody who appreciates the fans,'" says Jack Roberts, a former Oregon labor commissioner and Oregon alumnus.
(10-09-2015, 10:38 AM)fullmetal link Wrote:There's only one booster at Oregon who matters. Surely Chip knew that.
This is not what was commonly reported. http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-20...fense.html
Quote:A number of substantial Oregon football boosters, many of whom requested anonymity, expressed a widespread annoyance with Kelly. The coach with the highest winning percentage (45-7, 86.5 percent) among BCS conference coaches is at odds with many of those closest to the Oregon program. Although most would agree Kelly is an extraordinary coach, he doesn't care much for the many other obligations that come with his job.
"Some of the college boosters have gone as far as to say, 'I hope he does leave so we can get somebody who appreciates the fans,'" says Jack Roberts, a former Oregon labor commissioner and Oregon alumnus.
10-09-2015, 10:57 AM
The Media loving usc dynamic will hopefully change with the return of an NFL team to that major media market. The trojans were loved by the media in the Pom Pom Pete years. OJ, oj mayo money for hoops, reggie bush/lack of institutional control, What's your deal?, Haden on the field, Cutty Sark....you can't make this kind of idiotic BS up!! The media loves a story and "Sample's Sport Simpletons" keep on delivering the tabloid headlines.
If "Stanford is the model" (per their former President), they have a very, very long way to go. "Fail On!"
If "Stanford is the model" (per their former President), they have a very, very long way to go. "Fail On!"
The Media loving usc dynamic will hopefully change with the return of an NFL team to that major media market. The trojans were loved by the media in the Pom Pom Pete years. OJ, oj mayo money for hoops, reggie bush/lack of institutional control, What's your deal?, Haden on the field, Cutty Sark....you can't make this kind of idiotic BS up!! The media loves a story and "Sample's Sport Simpletons" keep on delivering the tabloid headlines.
If "Stanford is the model" (per their former President), they have a very, very long way to go. "Fail On!"
If "Stanford is the model" (per their former President), they have a very, very long way to go. "Fail On!"
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