[JohnR34231]

Especially when you consider that for so many years ND fans thought playing Stanford was beneath them.

http://slapthesign.com/2016/01/17/notre-...d-problem/

[JohnR34231]

Especially when you consider that for so many years ND fans thought playing Stanford was beneath them.

http://slapthesign.com/2016/01/17/notre-...d-problem/

[dabigv13]

As an only casual recruiting follower, my sense has been that Stanford has won the vast majority of recruiting battles between the two schools in the Harbaugh-Shaw era. Is that correct?

[dabigv13]

As an only casual recruiting follower, my sense has been that Stanford has won the vast majority of recruiting battles between the two schools in the Harbaugh-Shaw era. Is that correct?

[Rally]

Weird article.  Whatever his point is I don't think he established it very well.

[Rally]

Weird article.  Whatever his point is I don't think he established it very well.

[yvonne]

Keep in mind that Fansided "articles" are actually blog items. This one is basically saying:

• Why does everyone compare us to Stanford?
  
• I wish we were as good as Stanford.
  

[yvonne]

Keep in mind that Fansided "articles" are actually blog items. This one is basically saying:

• Why does everyone compare us to Stanford?
  
• I wish we were as good as Stanford.
  

[OutsiderFan]

WTF was that?  Just a rambling, meandering, regurgitation of random facts that basically asks Stanford to stop competing in football so Notre Dame can be better. 

[OutsiderFan]

WTF was that?  Just a rambling, meandering, regurgitation of random facts that basically asks Stanford to stop competing in football so Notre Dame can be better. 

[CornFed]

It caught me off guard when the article suddenly just .  .  .  ended.  I agree with ferrari.  I'm not sure the author ever made a point.  There are some N.oter Dame fans who are feeling outdone by Stanford apparently and I thought he was going to try to make some points to allay their concerns.  I never felt that those points were given. 

Also, it is irritating that the author commits grammatical gaffes while casually asserting the academic equivalence of the two schools.  Examples:  "could have easily chose the Irish over Stanford" or "The problem for N.otre Dame over the past 20 years has been the pool in which they can recruit from given the academic standards of the school" or "so perhaps the answer lays ahead in 2017 in Palo Alto".

[CornFed]

It caught me off guard when the article suddenly just .  .  .  ended.  I agree with ferrari.  I'm not sure the author ever made a point.  There are some N.oter Dame fans who are feeling outdone by Stanford apparently and I thought he was going to try to make some points to allay their concerns.  I never felt that those points were given. 

Also, it is irritating that the author commits grammatical gaffes while casually asserting the academic equivalence of the two schools.  Examples:  "could have easily chose the Irish over Stanford" or "The problem for N.otre Dame over the past 20 years has been the pool in which they can recruit from given the academic standards of the school" or "so perhaps the answer lays ahead in 2017 in Palo Alto".

[yvonne]

Most fans, and I would agree whole heartily with this, would say that USC is Notre Dame’s one and only rival.

[yvonne]

Most fans, and I would agree whole heartily with this, would say that USC is Notre Dame’s one and only rival.

[CompSci87]

The Irish are on schedule to win another close game in 2016 at Notre Dame Stadium

I guess the refs have already been hypnotized to give ND all the necessary questionable calls...

[CompSci87]

The Irish are on schedule to win another close game in 2016 at Notre Dame Stadium

I guess the refs have already been hypnotized to give ND all the necessary questionable calls...

[French Rage]

It caught me off guard when the article suddenly just .  .  .  ended.  I agree with ferrari.  I'm not sure the author ever made a point.  There are some N.oter Dame fans who are feeling outdone by Stanford apparently and I thought he was going to try to make some points to allay their concerns.  I never felt that those points were given. 

Also, it is irritating that the author commits grammatical gaffes while casually asserting the academic equivalence of the two schools.  Examples:  "could have easily chose the Irish over Stanford" or "The problem for N.otre Dame over the past 20 years has been the pool in which they can recruit from given the academic standards of the school" or "so perhaps the answer lays ahead in 2017 in Palo Alto".

Also, don't forget "There have been more than a couple of handful of players".

[French Rage]

It caught me off guard when the article suddenly just .  .  .  ended.  I agree with ferrari.  I'm not sure the author ever made a point.  There are some N.oter Dame fans who are feeling outdone by Stanford apparently and I thought he was going to try to make some points to allay their concerns.  I never felt that those points were given. 

Also, it is irritating that the author commits grammatical gaffes while casually asserting the academic equivalence of the two schools.  Examples:  "could have easily chose the Irish over Stanford" or "The problem for N.otre Dame over the past 20 years has been the pool in which they can recruit from given the academic standards of the school" or "so perhaps the answer lays ahead in 2017 in Palo Alto".

Also, don't forget "There have been more than a couple of handful of players".

[Rally]

[quote author=CornFed link=topic=14419.msg153277#msg153277 date=1453060343]
It caught me off guard when the article suddenly just .  .  .  ended.  I agree with ferrari.  I'm not sure the author ever made a point.  There are some N.oter Dame fans who are feeling outdone by Stanford apparently and I thought he was going to try to make some points to allay their concerns.  I never felt that those points were given. 

Also, it is irritating that the author commits grammatical gaffes while casually asserting the academic equivalence of the two schools.  Examples:  "could have easily chose the Irish over Stanford" or "The problem for N.otre Dame over the past 20 years has been the pool in which they can recruit from given the academic standards of the school" or "so perhaps the answer lays ahead in 2017 in Palo Alto".

Also, don't forget "There have been more than a couple of handful of players".
[/quote]

Elegant turn of phrase.  A real wordsmith.

[Rally]

[quote author=CornFed link=topic=14419.msg153277#msg153277 date=1453060343]
It caught me off guard when the article suddenly just .  .  .  ended.  I agree with ferrari.  I'm not sure the author ever made a point.  There are some N.oter Dame fans who are feeling outdone by Stanford apparently and I thought he was going to try to make some points to allay their concerns.  I never felt that those points were given. 

Also, it is irritating that the author commits grammatical gaffes while casually asserting the academic equivalence of the two schools.  Examples:  "could have easily chose the Irish over Stanford" or "The problem for N.otre Dame over the past 20 years has been the pool in which they can recruit from given the academic standards of the school" or "so perhaps the answer lays ahead in 2017 in Palo Alto".

Also, don't forget "There have been more than a couple of handful of players".
[/quote]

Elegant turn of phrase.  A real wordsmith.

[Hank 91]

It caught me off guard when the article suddenly just .  .  .  ended.  I agree with ferrari.  I'm not sure the author ever made a point.  There are some N.oter Dame fans who are feeling outdone by Stanford apparently and I thought he was going to try to make some points to allay their concerns.  I never felt that those points were given. 

Also, it is irritating that the author commits grammatical gaffes while casually asserting the academic equivalence of the two schools.  Examples:  "could have easily chose the Irish over Stanford" or "The problem for N.otre Dame over the past 20 years has been the pool in which they can recruit from given the academic standards of the school" or "so perhaps the answer lays ahead in 2017 in Palo Alto".

Yes. All three of these hurt my eyes.

[Hank 91]

It caught me off guard when the article suddenly just .  .  .  ended.  I agree with ferrari.  I'm not sure the author ever made a point.  There are some N.oter Dame fans who are feeling outdone by Stanford apparently and I thought he was going to try to make some points to allay their concerns.  I never felt that those points were given. 

Also, it is irritating that the author commits grammatical gaffes while casually asserting the academic equivalence of the two schools.  Examples:  "could have easily chose the Irish over Stanford" or "The problem for N.otre Dame over the past 20 years has been the pool in which they can recruit from given the academic standards of the school" or "so perhaps the answer lays ahead in 2017 in Palo Alto".

Yes. All three of these hurt my eyes.

[pefloresjr]

Putting aside the quality of the writing, I think it is somewhat motivated by the question of whether or not the series should be maintained.  I think the blogger would keep ND playing Stanford as long as they can start winning most of the games.  If the games remain competitive or Stanford starts dominating, he would want to drop the game so that we would stop eroding their proper place atop college football.  His attitude is the reason I have assumed that ND would be dropping the series if we were able to establish ourselves as a legitimate well-established football power.  They don't really care about their strength of schedule because they already have a preferred seat at the table of whatever championship structure exists.  They know they just need wins and if Stanford doesn't regularly offer those wins, I think they will find a way out of the series.  I like playing them because it always gets a great deal of coverage and we get extra credit when we win.  I'm surprised they haven't found a way out yet and will have to revisit my view if we stay good and they stick with the series. 

Cheers,
Pete F.

[pefloresjr]

Putting aside the quality of the writing, I think it is somewhat motivated by the question of whether or not the series should be maintained.  I think the blogger would keep ND playing Stanford as long as they can start winning most of the games.  If the games remain competitive or Stanford starts dominating, he would want to drop the game so that we would stop eroding their proper place atop college football.  His attitude is the reason I have assumed that ND would be dropping the series if we were able to establish ourselves as a legitimate well-established football power.  They don't really care about their strength of schedule because they already have a preferred seat at the table of whatever championship structure exists.  They know they just need wins and if Stanford doesn't regularly offer those wins, I think they will find a way out of the series.  I like playing them because it always gets a great deal of coverage and we get extra credit when we win.  I'm surprised they haven't found a way out yet and will have to revisit my view if we stay good and they stick with the series. 

Cheers,
Pete F.

[Rally]

Putting aside the quality of the writing, I think it is somewhat motivated by the question of whether or not the series should be maintained.  I think the blogger would keep ND playing Stanford as long as they can start winning most of the games.  If the games remain competitive or Stanford starts dominating, he would want to drop the game so that we would stop eroding their proper place atop college football.  His attitude is the reason I have assumed that ND would be dropping the series if we were able to establish ourselves as a legitimate well-established football power.  They don't really care about their strength of schedule because they already have a preferred seat at the table of whatever championship structure exists.  They know they just need wins and if Stanford doesn't regularly offer those wins, I think they will find a way out of the series.  I like playing them because it always gets a great deal of coverage and we get extra credit when we win.  I'm surprised they haven't found a way out yet and will have to revisit my view if we stay good and they stick with the series. 

Cheers,
Pete F.

Well, they have stuck with U.S.C and yes, he says they are their only true rival, but that's because one wins, over time, as often as the other.

[Rally]

Putting aside the quality of the writing, I think it is somewhat motivated by the question of whether or not the series should be maintained.  I think the blogger would keep ND playing Stanford as long as they can start winning most of the games.  If the games remain competitive or Stanford starts dominating, he would want to drop the game so that we would stop eroding their proper place atop college football.  His attitude is the reason I have assumed that ND would be dropping the series if we were able to establish ourselves as a legitimate well-established football power.  They don't really care about their strength of schedule because they already have a preferred seat at the table of whatever championship structure exists.  They know they just need wins and if Stanford doesn't regularly offer those wins, I think they will find a way out of the series.  I like playing them because it always gets a great deal of coverage and we get extra credit when we win.  I'm surprised they haven't found a way out yet and will have to revisit my view if we stay good and they stick with the series. 

Cheers,
Pete F.

Well, they have stuck with U.S.C and yes, he says they are their only true rival, but that's because one wins, over time, as often as the other.

[JohnR34231]

ND seems to like playing academically prestigious schools. Why? Well, my guess would be that it helps them stake their claim to being an academically prestigious school themselves, and those types of schools are usually ones they can beat. It would be interesting to see what their attitude would be toward playing an academically prestigious school that they usually lose to. In our case, I hope we find out.

[JohnR34231]

ND seems to like playing academically prestigious schools. Why? Well, my guess would be that it helps them stake their claim to being an academically prestigious school themselves, and those types of schools are usually ones they can beat. It would be interesting to see what their attitude would be toward playing an academically prestigious school that they usually lose to. In our case, I hope we find out.

[pcgoode]

I understand that one of the reasons they like playing Stanford and USC is that it gives them a game every year and exposure to recruits in California.

[pcgoode]

I understand that one of the reasons they like playing Stanford and USC is that it gives them a game every year and exposure to recruits in California.

[fullmetal]

Don’t get it twisted though- Notre Dame can still get a vast majority of players into school...

And there you have it.  Terrible academic standards for South Bend football players.

[fullmetal]

Don’t get it twisted though- Notre Dame can still get a vast majority of players into school...

And there you have it.  Terrible academic standards for South Bend football players.

[TreesAndBirds]

According to the US N&WR ranking, UND ranks (slightly)  ahead of UCB. I have my doubts, but that's their view. And of course it doesn't address football player admittances.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...ities/data

[TreesAndBirds]

According to the US N&WR ranking, UND ranks (slightly)  ahead of UCB. I have my doubts, but that's their view. And of course it doesn't address football player admittances.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...ities/data

[SUBuddha]

[SUBuddha]

[Mick]

I think the writer is not atypical of the average Noter Dame subway fan.  May or may not have gone to the school, doesn't demonstrate exceptional cranial capacity, yet ardently covets that which Stanford has -- a brand that screams that its the best academic profile of any university with a major sports program, by far...and not incidentally, the best athletic program of any university, and just recently knocking on the door of the best football school.

Noter Dame initiated a branding approach that would introduce them into the conversation as a rough academic equal to Stanford.  Obviously that's not remotely the case, but Stanford recruiters will never denigrate Noter Dame, and their coaches, boosters, professors, administrators, alumni and players will not hesitate to equate Stanford and Noter Dame.  That gives them half a shot at our favored recruits.  I think what's been clear over the years is that if a recruit has academic chops, it's tough to get them away from Stanford if they're willing to depart their home base.  Noter Dame would like to have that same ability.

The other half is that historically they dominated Stanford.  Noter Dame owns the overall series, and dominated the first six games, with a 5-1 lead through 1989.  They won three in a row with teams ranked #2, #1 and #5.  But the schools split the next ten games, starting with an upset win over #1 Noter Dame.  I recall rumblings from the ND fans at the end of those 10 games, wondering if it were worth it.  But then, ND won the next seven in a row, and those rumblings fanished.  Today?  Stanford has won five of seven, and I imagine that the average Noter Dame fan wouldn't mind if they had a weaker California-based opponent.

[Mick]

I think the writer is not atypical of the average Noter Dame subway fan.  May or may not have gone to the school, doesn't demonstrate exceptional cranial capacity, yet ardently covets that which Stanford has -- a brand that screams that its the best academic profile of any university with a major sports program, by far...and not incidentally, the best athletic program of any university, and just recently knocking on the door of the best football school.

Noter Dame initiated a branding approach that would introduce them into the conversation as a rough academic equal to Stanford.  Obviously that's not remotely the case, but Stanford recruiters will never denigrate Noter Dame, and their coaches, boosters, professors, administrators, alumni and players will not hesitate to equate Stanford and Noter Dame.  That gives them half a shot at our favored recruits.  I think what's been clear over the years is that if a recruit has academic chops, it's tough to get them away from Stanford if they're willing to depart their home base.  Noter Dame would like to have that same ability.

The other half is that historically they dominated Stanford.  Noter Dame owns the overall series, and dominated the first six games, with a 5-1 lead through 1989.  They won three in a row with teams ranked #2, #1 and #5.  But the schools split the next ten games, starting with an upset win over #1 Noter Dame.  I recall rumblings from the ND fans at the end of those 10 games, wondering if it were worth it.  But then, ND won the next seven in a row, and those rumblings fanished.  Today?  Stanford has won five of seven, and I imagine that the average Noter Dame fan wouldn't mind if they had a weaker California-based opponent.