01-19-2016, 10:10 AM
Early games
01-19-2016, 10:43 AM
I heard on that broadcast that the seahawks had the same 4:30am PT wake-up call that Stanford had in Evanston. It was pretty clear they weren't ready to play in the first half, just like Stanford wasn't. Seems a bit more than just coincidence, and attributable to the early wake-up, doesn't it?
I heard on that broadcast that the seahawks had the same 4:30am PT wake-up call that Stanford had in Evanston. It was pretty clear they weren't ready to play in the first half, just like Stanford wasn't. Seems a bit more than just coincidence, and attributable to the early wake-up, doesn't it?
01-19-2016, 10:47 AM
You'd think they'd learn. Takes a few days to acclimate, so get there about a week earlier and jump on that circadian rhythm shift as soon as possible. Happens to elite athletes during international travel as well.
01-19-2016, 11:06 AM
Seattle apparently has a problem with this, having done it against Minnesota the week earlier and at other times during the season as well. But some Seahawks fans were saying that they've tended to start slow no matter what this year, and the 10AM PST start time just exacerbates the issue.
Of course, there was way more simple mockery of the idea that the start time matters. The average sports fan is amusingly ignorant of the science behind sports performance.
Of course, there was way more simple mockery of the idea that the start time matters. The average sports fan is amusingly ignorant of the science behind sports performance.
Seattle apparently has a problem with this, having done it against Minnesota the week earlier and at other times during the season as well. But some Seahawks fans were saying that they've tended to start slow no matter what this year, and the 10AM PST start time just exacerbates the issue.
Of course, there was way more simple mockery of the idea that the start time matters. The average sports fan is amusingly ignorant of the science behind sports performance.
Of course, there was way more simple mockery of the idea that the start time matters. The average sports fan is amusingly ignorant of the science behind sports performance.
01-19-2016, 11:37 AM
According to the average sports fan, sports science is irrelevant, because players should just be tougher and grittier, which would certainly overcome an early wake-up call or some other hindrance to performance.
Must be nice to live in such a binary world: the winning team was tougher and had more of a will to win, and that's that. Had the losing team been less grit-deficient, the result would have been different.
Must be nice to live in such a binary world: the winning team was tougher and had more of a will to win, and that's that. Had the losing team been less grit-deficient, the result would have been different.
According to the average sports fan, sports science is irrelevant, because players should just be tougher and grittier, which would certainly overcome an early wake-up call or some other hindrance to performance.
Must be nice to live in such a binary world: the winning team was tougher and had more of a will to win, and that's that. Had the losing team been less grit-deficient, the result would have been different.
Must be nice to live in such a binary world: the winning team was tougher and had more of a will to win, and that's that. Had the losing team been less grit-deficient, the result would have been different.
01-19-2016, 11:41 AM
Don't forget that if the losing coach had called the other play, the one that would have worked instead of the one that didn't work, the outcome would have been different.
BC
BC
Don't forget that if the losing coach had called the other play, the one that would have worked instead of the one that didn't work, the outcome would have been different.
BC
BC
(01-19-2016, 11:06 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:Seattle apparently has a problem with this, having done it against Minnesota the week earlier and at other times during the season as well. But some Seahawks fans were saying that they've tended to start slow no matter what this year, and the 10AM PST start time just exacerbates the issue.
Of course, there was way more simple mockery of the idea that the start time matters. The average sports fan is amusingly ignorant of the science behind sports performance.
how many of them think they are at their best on a con-call at either 6am or midnight (or both in the same day)Â :)
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
(01-19-2016, 11:06 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:Seattle apparently has a problem with this, having done it against Minnesota the week earlier and at other times during the season as well. But some Seahawks fans were saying that they've tended to start slow no matter what this year, and the 10AM PST start time just exacerbates the issue.
Of course, there was way more simple mockery of the idea that the start time matters. The average sports fan is amusingly ignorant of the science behind sports performance.
how many of them think they are at their best on a con-call at either 6am or midnight (or both in the same day)Â :)
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
01-19-2016, 12:00 PM
Basically every football game on the East Coast or in the Midwest, even some further west start at 10AM Pacific (the majority of games start then), so it's not like this should be something new. Did Seattle play no road games outside the Pacific time zone this year or something?
Basically every football game on the East Coast or in the Midwest, even some further west start at 10AM Pacific (the majority of games start then), so it's not like this should be something new. Did Seattle play no road games outside the Pacific time zone this year or something?
01-19-2016, 01:13 PM
(01-19-2016, 12:00 PM)CrazedZooChimp link Wrote:Basically every football game on the East Coast or in the Midwest, even some further west start at 10AM Pacific (the majority of games start then), so it's not like this should be something new. Did Seattle play no road games outside the Pacific time zone this year or something?
This isn't a new thing for them: https://twitter.com/zjwhitman/status/688832579907092480
(01-19-2016, 12:00 PM)CrazedZooChimp link Wrote:Basically every football game on the East Coast or in the Midwest, even some further west start at 10AM Pacific (the majority of games start then), so it's not like this should be something new. Did Seattle play no road games outside the Pacific time zone this year or something?
This isn't a new thing for them: https://twitter.com/zjwhitman/status/688832579907092480
01-19-2016, 03:43 PM
(01-19-2016, 12:00 PM)CrazedZooChimp link Wrote:Basically every football game on the East Coast or in the Midwest, even some further west start at 10AM Pacific (the majority of games start then), so it's not like this should be something new. Did Seattle play no road games outside the Pacific time zone this year or something?
Well, you made me look.
Seahawks games in 2015-16 at 10 am Pacific.
Week 1 L Rams 31-34
Week 5 L Bengals 24-27
Week 13 W Vikes 38-7
Week 14 W Ravens 35-6
Div Playoff L Panthers 24-31
Which looks to me to be dispositive of absolutely nothing.
(01-19-2016, 12:00 PM)CrazedZooChimp link Wrote:Basically every football game on the East Coast or in the Midwest, even some further west start at 10AM Pacific (the majority of games start then), so it's not like this should be something new. Did Seattle play no road games outside the Pacific time zone this year or something?
Well, you made me look.
Seahawks games in 2015-16 at 10 am Pacific.
Week 1 L Rams 31-34
Week 5 L Bengals 24-27
Week 13 W Vikes 38-7
Week 14 W Ravens 35-6
Div Playoff L Panthers 24-31
Which looks to me to be dispositive of absolutely nothing.
01-19-2016, 04:09 PM
Does anyone know of a good scientific paper looking at effects of game time vs body time on performance? I found one from the 1990s, but the abstract was written so terribly that I couldn't be bothered to read the full paper.
Nowadays it would be trivial to get the relevant data (game times, outcomes, then any controlling data you want: Vegas spreads, team stats, advanced metrics of team quality). The analysis would be extremely simple. Someone must have looked at this recently, right?
Nowadays it would be trivial to get the relevant data (game times, outcomes, then any controlling data you want: Vegas spreads, team stats, advanced metrics of team quality). The analysis would be extremely simple. Someone must have looked at this recently, right?
Does anyone know of a good scientific paper looking at effects of game time vs body time on performance? I found one from the 1990s, but the abstract was written so terribly that I couldn't be bothered to read the full paper.
Nowadays it would be trivial to get the relevant data (game times, outcomes, then any controlling data you want: Vegas spreads, team stats, advanced metrics of team quality). The analysis would be extremely simple. Someone must have looked at this recently, right?
Nowadays it would be trivial to get the relevant data (game times, outcomes, then any controlling data you want: Vegas spreads, team stats, advanced metrics of team quality). The analysis would be extremely simple. Someone must have looked at this recently, right?
01-19-2016, 04:14 PM
(01-19-2016, 01:13 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=CrazedZooChimp link=topic=14429.msg153600#msg153600 date=1453230024]
Basically every football game on the East Coast or in the Midwest, even some further west start at 10AM Pacific (the majority of games start then), so it's not like this should be something new. Did Seattle play no road games outside the Pacific time zone this year or something?
This isn't a new thing for them: https://twitter.com/zjwhitman/status/688832579907092480
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So do they only have body clock problems during the playoffs for some reason? Maybe during the early fall when there's more light they don't have an issue?
(01-19-2016, 01:13 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=CrazedZooChimp link=topic=14429.msg153600#msg153600 date=1453230024]
Basically every football game on the East Coast or in the Midwest, even some further west start at 10AM Pacific (the majority of games start then), so it's not like this should be something new. Did Seattle play no road games outside the Pacific time zone this year or something?
This isn't a new thing for them: https://twitter.com/zjwhitman/status/688832579907092480
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So do they only have body clock problems during the playoffs for some reason? Maybe during the early fall when there's more light they don't have an issue?
01-19-2016, 08:35 PM
No excuses. They've played road games on the east coast before now, and this is kickoff time for almost every one of them.
01-19-2016, 11:49 PM
Speaking from fairly recent personal experience, flying to a time zone 3hrs ahead of me (it was a red-eye, which is worse), I felt like total CR*P for a few days. At that point, I forgave the team the NW performance. Sure, the players are younger, but I wasn't being asked to play Div I sports (just be socially coherent, which was hard enough until noon my body clock) and I think it's on the coaches to take measures to adequately address these things. Is this wrong? ???
Speaking from fairly recent personal experience, flying to a time zone 3hrs ahead of me (it was a red-eye, which is worse), I felt like total CR*P for a few days. At that point, I forgave the team the NW performance. Sure, the players are younger, but I wasn't being asked to play Div I sports (just be socially coherent, which was hard enough until noon my body clock) and I think it's on the coaches to take measures to adequately address these things. Is this wrong? ???
01-20-2016, 07:38 AM
College games are different. I could see Stanford putting into its contracts that no OOC road game can kick off before noon PST.
In the pros, it's called home field advantage and in the playoffs it's earned.
Plus, the Seahawks played as many as five early regular season games.
In the pros, it's called home field advantage and in the playoffs it's earned.
Plus, the Seahawks played as many as five early regular season games.
College games are different. I could see Stanford putting into its contracts that no OOC road game can kick off before noon PST.
In the pros, it's called home field advantage and in the playoffs it's earned.
Plus, the Seahawks played as many as five early regular season games.
In the pros, it's called home field advantage and in the playoffs it's earned.
Plus, the Seahawks played as many as five early regular season games.
01-20-2016, 10:27 AM
(01-19-2016, 04:14 PM)CrazedZooChimp link Wrote:[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=14429.msg153610#msg153610 date=1453234398]
[quote author=CrazedZooChimp link=topic=14429.msg153600#msg153600 date=1453230024]
Basically every football game on the East Coast or in the Midwest, even some further west start at 10AM Pacific (the majority of games start then), so it's not like this should be something new. Did Seattle play no road games outside the Pacific time zone this year or something?
This isn't a new thing for them: https://twitter.com/zjwhitman/status/688832579907092480
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So do they only have body clock problems during the playoffs for some reason? Maybe during the early fall when there's more light they don't have an issue?
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Playoff games guarantee you're playing a pretty good team, that's the only reason I could see restricting it to that. You could also do "games against teams that made the playoffs" or "games against teams with positive DVOA/winning percentage" or what have you.
(01-19-2016, 04:14 PM)CrazedZooChimp link Wrote:[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=14429.msg153610#msg153610 date=1453234398]
[quote author=CrazedZooChimp link=topic=14429.msg153600#msg153600 date=1453230024]
Basically every football game on the East Coast or in the Midwest, even some further west start at 10AM Pacific (the majority of games start then), so it's not like this should be something new. Did Seattle play no road games outside the Pacific time zone this year or something?
This isn't a new thing for them: https://twitter.com/zjwhitman/status/688832579907092480
[/quote]
So do they only have body clock problems during the playoffs for some reason? Maybe during the early fall when there's more light they don't have an issue?
[/quote]
Playoff games guarantee you're playing a pretty good team, that's the only reason I could see restricting it to that. You could also do "games against teams that made the playoffs" or "games against teams with positive DVOA/winning percentage" or what have you.
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