[martyup]

Hey Leech, I guess they don't have the internet or CFB stats out there in the Palouse.  Here's a taste of what you've been missing.





PS.  I know. I know.  If he doesn't have the internet he can't read this board.

[martyup]

Hey Leech, I guess they don't have the internet or CFB stats out there in the Palouse.  Here's a taste of what you've been missing.





PS.  I know. I know.  If he doesn't have the internet he can't read this board.

[CTcard]

[quote author=CTcard link=topic=17852.msg209480#msg209480 date=1509463826]
Among Leach's comments are some things that are true, some that are technically true, some that are fine to be his own opinions ... and all apparently aimed at needling Stanford for some reason.

"We’ve got a lot of great running backs in this conference,”
- well, yeah.

There's talent, sure.  There's Bryce Love at the very tippy-top.  The next Pac-12 RB who shows up in the NCAA's most yards per carry stat is Ron Jones of U$C at #16 with a 6.73 ypc, then Myles Gaskin at #30.  Both are about 60% and 55% of Love's ypc.  I'd say we have a lot of good running backs, not great.
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You've got a pretty good point there.
Love is excellent. Tate is an excellent runner but not a RB.
Nobody else is putting up eye-popping numbers.
Still, I personally think Freeman, Jones, Gaskin, and Nall are all at least very good. 

Stanford Recruiting -
Perspective here is key.  Leach needs to recruit players from warm urban and suburban locations to join a small rural regional school to play football in a very small stadium often late at night in cold and windy conditions.  I suspect Leach could tell story after story about a recruit that was good to sign in October, but after a January visit to Pullman opted for FCS warm weather U.

It would seem to me that WSU is in the toughest inherent position in the conference with respect to recruiting, with OSU at #2.
I can imagine Leach getting irked at other conference coaches complaining about how tough it is to recruit at their schools.

[CTcard]

[quote author=CTcard link=topic=17852.msg209480#msg209480 date=1509463826]
Among Leach's comments are some things that are true, some that are technically true, some that are fine to be his own opinions ... and all apparently aimed at needling Stanford for some reason.

"We’ve got a lot of great running backs in this conference,”
- well, yeah.

There's talent, sure.  There's Bryce Love at the very tippy-top.  The next Pac-12 RB who shows up in the NCAA's most yards per carry stat is Ron Jones of U$C at #16 with a 6.73 ypc, then Myles Gaskin at #30.  Both are about 60% and 55% of Love's ypc.  I'd say we have a lot of good running backs, not great.
[/quote]

You've got a pretty good point there.
Love is excellent. Tate is an excellent runner but not a RB.
Nobody else is putting up eye-popping numbers.
Still, I personally think Freeman, Jones, Gaskin, and Nall are all at least very good. 

Stanford Recruiting -
Perspective here is key.  Leach needs to recruit players from warm urban and suburban locations to join a small rural regional school to play football in a very small stadium often late at night in cold and windy conditions.  I suspect Leach could tell story after story about a recruit that was good to sign in October, but after a January visit to Pullman opted for FCS warm weather U.

It would seem to me that WSU is in the toughest inherent position in the conference with respect to recruiting, with OSU at #2.
I can imagine Leach getting irked at other conference coaches complaining about how tough it is to recruit at their schools.

[martyup]

It would seem to me that WSU is in the toughest inherent position in the conference with respect to recruiting, with OSU at #2.
I can imagine Leach getting irked at other conference coaches complaining about how tough it is to recruit at their schools.

Well, yeah.  I mean, you have to join a wagon train to get there.  ::)

[martyup]

It would seem to me that WSU is in the toughest inherent position in the conference with respect to recruiting, with OSU at #2.
I can imagine Leach getting irked at other conference coaches complaining about how tough it is to recruit at their schools.

Well, yeah.  I mean, you have to join a wagon train to get there.  ::)

[teejers1]

1.  Maybe Leach is emboldened to downgrade Love because he expects his D will not have to play him;

2.  As for the rest of it, not that controversial.  Shaw is a good coach; Harbaugh did lay the foundation and put together the great early teams (I also agree that the use of "but" was a gratuitous shot at Shaw that doesn't give him credit for maintaining the program with his own recruits).

3.  It is definitely true that Stanford recruits itself.  I mean, get serious for a moment.  If you're a good/great athlete and academically inclined, is there any other college you'd rather attend (or have your kid attend?).  I've always said there are a lot of great universities out there and that kids can have the terrific experiences as student/athlete at a brobdingnagian number of colleges.  But if you absolutely had your pick of the bunch:  Stanford.  And I think most opposing coaches realize this and that understandably chaps them a bit.  So bottom line:  I agree that Stanford institutionally provides a "floor" for coaches trying to recruit here, as well as a ceiling.  But I think we'd all take that trade in a nanosecond - it's really a big reason why we enjoy rooting for those that don the Cardinal and White.

4.  CTC's list of conference RBs is about right.  Love is most explosive; the kid from Oregon may prove to be the best pro.

5.  Leach's sound bites can be amusing and a refreshing change of pace from Robo-Coach-Speak, but there are few coaches I enjoy watching Stanford beat more than Leach teams.  Unfortunately, it will be a tough nut to crack without a healthy Love.

[teejers1]

1.  Maybe Leach is emboldened to downgrade Love because he expects his D will not have to play him;

2.  As for the rest of it, not that controversial.  Shaw is a good coach; Harbaugh did lay the foundation and put together the great early teams (I also agree that the use of "but" was a gratuitous shot at Shaw that doesn't give him credit for maintaining the program with his own recruits).

3.  It is definitely true that Stanford recruits itself.  I mean, get serious for a moment.  If you're a good/great athlete and academically inclined, is there any other college you'd rather attend (or have your kid attend?).  I've always said there are a lot of great universities out there and that kids can have the terrific experiences as student/athlete at a brobdingnagian number of colleges.  But if you absolutely had your pick of the bunch:  Stanford.  And I think most opposing coaches realize this and that understandably chaps them a bit.  So bottom line:  I agree that Stanford institutionally provides a "floor" for coaches trying to recruit here, as well as a ceiling.  But I think we'd all take that trade in a nanosecond - it's really a big reason why we enjoy rooting for those that don the Cardinal and White.

4.  CTC's list of conference RBs is about right.  Love is most explosive; the kid from Oregon may prove to be the best pro.

5.  Leach's sound bites can be amusing and a refreshing change of pace from Robo-Coach-Speak, but there are few coaches I enjoy watching Stanford beat more than Leach teams.  Unfortunately, it will be a tough nut to crack without a healthy Love.

[Beeg_Dawg]

5.  Leach's sound bites can be amusing and a refreshing change of pace from Robo-Coach-Speak, but there are few coaches I enjoy watching Stanford beat more than Leach teams.  Unfortunately, it will be a tough nut to crack without a healthy Love.

Phillips has a career day, leaving Falk muttering that he would rather play Cal.  The only problem I see is the early start time.  ::)

[Beeg_Dawg]

5.  Leach's sound bites can be amusing and a refreshing change of pace from Robo-Coach-Speak, but there are few coaches I enjoy watching Stanford beat more than Leach teams.  Unfortunately, it will be a tough nut to crack without a healthy Love.

Phillips has a career day, leaving Falk muttering that he would rather play Cal.  The only problem I see is the early start time.  ::)